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Old 01-03-2013, 02:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It's not that Windows PC's are hard to maintain, it's just that people are LAZY. As long as you have access to some device with working internet (smartphone, tablet, a friend's computer) a quick google search can help you fix pretty much any PC problem you run into. We've devolved into a non-self sufficient culture and would rather be on hold for 45 minutes and have someone tell us to reformat our hard drive (because that's easier for the tech support dude than actually fixing the problem), than spend 15 minutes doing a little research and fixing the problem without losing data.

Apple makes decent products, but I hate their advertising that makes it seem like no tech product or feature existed before they invented it. I mean come on, trying to patent rounded corners...
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I agree with the lazy part, that is definitely part of the problem.
Seems like computers are about the only thing a person won't read the directions for, or look up directions.

But since I run my company's helpdesk, I can also tell you, that alot of non lazy people don't touch them because they are intimidated. They are scared they will break it, or make it worse.

People don't seem to have that intimidation with Apple products. Part of that is their appeal to aesthetics. The devices themselves just look more friendly. It's those curves and small details that make it that way.
That's the reason why they advertise that aspect so much.
To a decent amount of people, that is a big selling point.

It's not too different from our cars. The look is what captures most people first. Just think about how many times a random person has asked about your car
Asked if it was some expensive exotic
and then remember how shocked they were when you tell them it's a Saturn.
Good looking products sell and Apple is smart in dedicating time to that and the value of their company supports that thought product.
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I'd be shocked if someone told me mine was a Saturn!

I have to agree with you about Apple though. I'm a bit of a 'hater' around Apple stuff. Mostly because it's expensive and so totally proprietary.

On the other hand I got an iPad from work (for video client testing). Didn't want it as a tablet - already have Android for that. But I have to say, it's VERY intuitive to use. Even the stupid keyboard just works - and spell checks - extremely well. Better than even the 3rd party Android keyboards. I now hate myself for liking it.
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I would have said kappa on KP or Sol on the Solstice forum, but we are on the Sky forum, so I used that as the example.
When in Rome......

It's the proprietary nature that makes it a more solid platform.
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You don't have to give up all your rights to use it like you do with anything from google.
And, Google has proven that even when they say they won't use your information, they will.
The 4 Billion dollar fine from the Gov and the current class action suit against Gmail are 2 forms of proof about that.

After supporting people using windows for almost 2 decades, your above statement is why I recommend Apple products.
People seem to be able to use them quicker and more efficiently.

How much is your time worth? alot of people don't put the soft cost of frustration and down time into their cost analysis of items.
For those who have to pay to get their stuff fixed, did they really save any money?
these are questions I ask people when they complain about price
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I agree with the lazy part, that is definitely part of the problem.
Seems like computers are about the only thing a person won't read the directions for, or look up directions.

But since I run my company's helpdesk, I can also tell you, that alot of non lazy people don't touch them because they are intimidated. They are scared they will break it, or make it worse.

People don't seem to have that intimidation with Apple products. Part of that is their appeal to aesthetics. The devices themselves just look more friendly. It's those curves and small details that make it that way.
That's the reason why they advertise that aspect so much.
To a decent amount of people, that is a big selling point.

It's not too different from our cars. The look is what captures most people first. Just think about how many times a random person has asked about your car
Asked if it was some expensive exotic
and then remember how shocked they were when you tell them it's a Saturn.
Good looking products sell and Apple is smart in dedicating time to that and the value of their company supports that thought product.
I guess it's fine if you like Apple as long as you tell me you've never waited in line to buy an Iphone on release day. I'll cut you some slack since you've got the correct color on your car
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O hell no!
I hate lines and even avoid stores from November to mid January and do my holiday shopping online

The wife and I are rocking a bunch of older models.
Both of us have the iPhone4 (non s), the iPad2, she has a 24" iMac and I have a 2009 27" iMac.
All of them run the latest OS, perform nice and speedy and have been extremely reliable, so there is no need to upgrade.

One thing I am looking forward to is a Retina Display iPad mini with an A6 processor. I want to figure out a way to mount it in the Sky.
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Just got an iPhone4s and am loving the apple product... all our comps are windows based but maybe for a new personal one I will go apple... I am just afraid of learing new things.. LOL... I will call Vic and chat with him... See what solution he came up with! SkyBaby
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Just got an iPhone4s and am loving the apple product... all our comps are windows based but maybe for a new personal one I will go apple... I am just afraid of learing new things.. LOL... I will call Vic and chat with him... See what solution he came up with! SkyBaby
My company just pulled back my blackberry (which I liked) and gave me an iPhone5. My personal phone is a droid4, which I also like, so after having the iPhone5 for about 2 weeks, I find that I still prefer my droid4.
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I will use anything that works

I started with this
Timex Sinclair 1000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
hooked it up to my TV and began pushing buttons.

Then went to TI - 99
Texas Instruments TI-99/4A computer


Next major upgrade was to a VIC 20
Commodore VIC-20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then a Commadore 64 and 128
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First "real" GP computer was an Amiga
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I actually upgraded that puppy a couple of times.

Then I bought my first "intel box" a 386 CompuAdd box
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I found out that it was cheap because it had a 286 CPU "overclocked" and claimed to be "386" compatible . . .

I eventually began building my own
386
486
Pentium
Pentium 2
Took a path down AMD for 2 and 4 CPU boxes
Went to i5s and i7s for my current builds.

My first work computer was an Apple Lisa
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It was the first intuitive, easy to operate, useful, productive computer I ever saw in a work environment. I used that from 1982 till 1985

In 85 went to Mac - the brick - at work
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Did mostly viewgraph engineering with it but it was very useful

Then the company went to various upgraded Macs, including the Mac 2 family.

In the mid 90s, when Office was king and "large enterprise" was the buzzword, LMC formed an alliance with MS and we all went Intel box running various enterprise versions of Windows and Office.

About the same time I began to be unable to find the software I wanted to use on Mac OSX platform, and I could build an Intel box for half the price, or same price and twice the speed. So I began rolling my own computers.

But when my wife wanted to become computer literate, I bought her a Mac Classic. She learned how to use office productively and went out to get a new job as an engineering aide. She has subsequently made the transition to Windows because her day job is all Windows based.

At home currently we have
Lion OSX server hosting iTunes - 5 active Apple TVs
2 paired (cloned) HP Windows Home Servers hosting the iTunes library = 4 TB
2 paired Dell based WHS hosting everything else, pictures, correspondence etc = 3 TB
12tb NAS
4 Windows desktops
4 Windows laptops
Surface RT
iPad 2
2 Kindle Fire
1 Kindle Fire HD 8.9
2 iPhones
6 iPods

So they keep me connected and busy
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Guess you don't own a router...
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Guess you don't own a router...
LOL

Does not count

But I have several. Two Apple Extreme routers in service as well as a Netlink router. Connected to a megabit 24 port switch
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It's sad but I started with a Coleco Adam with cassette tape drive. Sigh...
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I wonder if Vic remembers the day he started to smoke and killed the dinosaurs

[we will see how long it takes him to get online and joke back]

Rob,
5 computers plus a NAS to do simple file sharing?
Or are you just tinkering?

At one point, before i got sick of paying the extra electricity, I was running a full domain that included

Windows 2003 domain, AD, DNS, DHCP, WINS, VPN and File Sharing
Dedicated IIS, FTP server with MySQL database that hosted 6 domains all with forums. Mix of PHPBB and Smf
Dedicated Exchange 2003 Email Server
Dedicated Game server hosting half life, quake3 and Unreal Tournament
Dedicated ISA Server

Ive consolidated down to what ive listed above and migrated the forums and domains to a hosted solution[turned over all but 2 private SMF Forums and 3 domains]

Im not a packrat and neither is the wife so we only use about 1/4 of the internal HD space we have on tne computers. Thats mostly iTunes Music,so time machine with passport drives is all we use for backup with key files saved to the web


I miss the Game Server the most
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Well I am an IT guy and if VIC needs some computer work I can donate my time/return shipping! Also have parts laying around depending on what he needs.

Although I have 2 computers 2 TV's and 3 monitors nearby, I am writing this on my iPad Lol.
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