Does it matter which brand of gas you use?

[ggccg]

Originally Posted by Superman

What about Mobil?

The Mobil website has been scrubbed of references to production in Venezuela. However, I found this news release dated 1/2/07 that seems to say Exxon Mobil will continue to be involved in production of heavy crude in the Orinoco basin.

Exxon Mobil Venezuela taking over oil operations

CARACAS, Venezuela (AFX) - The Venezuelan government will take majority control of oil projects in the Orinoco River basin by May 1 and any foreign oil company that resists can leave, President Hugo Chavez said Thursday as he elaborated on his sweeping nationalization plans.
Chavez told a news conference that his government is "not posing any conflict" to oil companies British Petroleum PLC, Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp., ConocoPhillips Co., Total SA and Statoil ASA that are upgrading heavy oil in the Orinoco.

http://www.advfn.com/news_Venezuela-..._19226476.html

[Dktrwu2]

That's my understanding of the process, too. All 93 octane gas is interchangable, it's the additives that each company put in that sets one aaprt from another.

Originally Posted by 07BLUESTONE

Watched a History Channel "Modern Marvels" episode about "Gasoline", they said with the massive pipelines running from all around the U.S. and the cost of the pipelines, that there is only one oil company (did not mention which company) that has it's own pipelines and that all the rest just "rent" time on the other lines (Texas Eastern if I remember right) and the gas from say a "Shell" refinery will be running through the lines but "Chevron" will be paying for the time/gallonage and the "Shell" gas will meet Chevrons specs. It was an hour show and I condensed the hell out of it but hope you get the idea.

[ggccg]

Originally Posted by ggccg

Anyone who is obsessed with only buying American oil from American oil companies should be aware of the following:

Chevron: Most of the crude oil refined at the ChevronTexaco’s Pascagoula Refinery comes from Mexico and Venezuela. All the crude oil processed at the refinery – over 100 million barrels a year – arrives by marine tanker.

http://www.chevron.com/products/abou...%20storage.doc

Shell: not even American.

BP: also not American.

Texaco: owned by Chevron since July 1, 2004.

Hess: refinery is HOVENSA, a joint venture between a subsidiary of Hess Corporation and a subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A.

Phillips: Canadian.

Union76: Owned by ConocoPhillips.

Adding to the list:

Exxon-Mobil: Production started up at the Cerro Negro field (ExxonMobil interest 41.7 percent) in 1999. Current production is 60 thousand barrels of oil per day, with production expected to expand when the coker facility in Jose, Venezuela, is completed in 2001. The coker will upgrade the crude oil from 8.5-degree API gravity crude in the field to 16.5-degree API gravity crude. Most of the crude will then be shipped to the company's Chalmette, Louisiana, refinery (ExxonMobil interest 50 percent) for final processing.

ExxonMobil also has a 25-percent interest in the Quiamare-LaCeiba block in eastern Venezuela and a 50-percent interest in the 445-thousand-acre LaCeiba block on the southeastern shore of Lake Maracaibo.

Commercialization activities also continued for the Norte de Paria gas resource offshore eastern Venezuela.

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/...stream_7b.html

[ParrotHeadNation]

well I don't have a sky but I swear by Shell religiously. The Shell near me is conveniently located, is well stocked with shoptowels and squigee's and that stuff. They are reasonably priced and NEVER crowded. I also feel that my car runs a bit smoother than some other brands. I also like Citgo, but since 7-11 and Citgo broke off their agreement, there's no Citgo right near me. And there's no Chevron's near me.

[Ohio Sky]

I find their prices are very competitive (I use 93 octane), and they don't add ethanol or methanol to the gas. I remember reading somewhere (maybe it was in the Sky manual) to avoid using gas with methanol. My gas mileage has been pretty good so far, too (985 miles) - averaging almost 25 mpg with city driving.

[MidniteBlues]

I refuse to buy Citgo, I'll exit our turnpike if I have to in order not buy from that USA hater & Fidel lover--

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Ohio Sky

I find their prices are very competitive (I use 93 octane), and they don't add ethanol or methanol to the gas. I remember reading somewhere (maybe it was in the Sky manual) to avoid using gas with methanol. My gas mileage has been pretty good so far, too (985 miles) - averaging almost 25 mpg with city driving.

If you want to sell out America you buy Citgo............This gas is owned by that demented dictator Hugo Chavez.............He hates America!! Why would you support him?

[ggccg]

Originally Posted by Jeff

If you want to sell out America you buy Citgo............This gas is owned by that demented dictator Hugo Chavez.............He hates America!! Why would you support him?

You can't not send money to Venezuela. Every oil company is up to their asses in Venezuelan oil... producing... refining... transporting... selling.

[cerberus]

We already split this thread once to carve off the politics to the Frontier. Guess it's hard to keep politics and oil seperate.

[ParrotHeadNation]

acutally he just hates bush. but who doesn't?

[lbsky]

the answer is no All of the major brands are pretty much the same. As far as Ford saying BP that is BS. Difference is octane % and how much ethanol is added. Otherwise it is pretty much what you like, Coke or Pepsi.

[ggccg]

Originally Posted by lbsky

the answer is no All of the major brands are pretty much the same. As far as Ford saying BP that is BS. Difference is octane % and how much ethanol is added. Otherwise it is pretty much what you like, Coke or Pepsi.

Yep. It all comes out of the same pipeline. At the distribution level, different detergent additives and other minor variations are what make the difference from one 93 Octane brand and the next. Arguments can be made that one particular additive does a demonstrably better job than another, but as you say, it basically gets down which softdrink rots your teeth less... Coke or Pepsi.

[ParrotHeadNation]

by the way. this is SLIGHTLY off topic. but does the base sky recommend 93 octane or mid-grade?

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by ParrotHeadNation

by the way. this is SLIGHTLY off topic. but does the base sky recommend 93 octane or mid-grade?

I believe the manual says 91 minimum but recommends Top Tier brands.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by cerberus

I believe the manual says 91 minimum but recommends Top Tier brands.

At least a 91...if you can get higher and don't have to pay an "Arm and a Leg" for it you can get more out of it.

But it will work on any gas.

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by cerberus

I believe the manual says 91 minimum but recommends Top Tier brands.

I believe it is a requirement that all new vehicles be able to run on 87. The only thing is that a car like the RL will knock, setting of the knock sensor and decreasing hp. As long as you are not getting it or under any serious load you can use 87. Just will not make the power when you want it too. So, this kind of defeats the purpose of having a RL. I have a stage 1 kit on my PT turbo, and I will use 87 when I know it is going to snow or rain for a few days. But otherwise I use 93, and there is a noticeable difference in power.

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by lbsky

I believe it is a requirement that all new vehicles be able to run on 87. The only thing is that a car like the RL will knock, setting of the knock sensor and decreasing hp. As long as you are not getting it or under any serious load you can use 87. Just will not make the power when you want it too. So, this kind of defeats the purpose of having a RL. I have a stage 1 kit on my PT turbo, and I will use 87 when I know it is going to snow or rain for a few days. But otherwise I use 93, and there is a noticeable difference in power.

Yup. Thanks for providing more depth there.

[ParrotHeadNation]

Originally Posted by lbsky

I believe it is a requirement that all new vehicles be able to run on 87. The only thing is that a car like the RL will knock, setting of the knock sensor and decreasing hp. As long as you are not getting it or under any serious load you can use 87. Just will not make the power when you want it too. So, this kind of defeats the purpose of having a RL. I have a stage 1 kit on my PT turbo, and I will use 87 when I know it is going to snow or rain for a few days. But otherwise I use 93, and there is a noticeable difference in power.

oh yah i understand. I was just talking about the 2.4

[cjegg]

Originally Posted by ggccg

Yep. It all comes out of the same pipeline. At the distribution level, different detergent additives and other minor variations are what make the difference from one 93 Octane brand and the next. Arguments can be made that one particular additive does a demonstrably better job than another, but as you say, it basically gets down which softdrink rots your teeth less... Coke or Pepsi.

Not true. The difference between Shell, Chevron and "top tier" gasoline is like Pepsi to Coke. Compared to "mid tier" and low end gasoline there is a big difference. The additives play a large part into the life of the vehicle and imho are more important then octane unless you experience knock at lower octane. Octane helps with premature combustion which causes the knock the higher the octane the less premature combustion that also explains why there is some fuel efficency and performance gains from the higher octane all though most people's mind exagerate the true benifits. For the extra money I would rather throw a "top tier" gas in my car at a lower octane then a high octane low end fuel because I want my engine to last as long as possible.

[ggccg]

Originally Posted by cjegg

Not true. The difference between Shell, Chevron and "top tier" gasoline is like Pepsi to Coke. Compared to "mid tier" and low end gasoline there is a big difference. The additives play a large part into the life of the vehicle and imho are more important then octane unless you experience knock at lower octane. Octane helps with premature combustion which causes the knock the higher the octane the less premature combustion that also explains why there is some fuel efficency and