Does it matter which brand of gas you use?

[SaturnSkyDude]

In Ohio I use 94 octane as long as you get it at....

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by cjegg

You’re entitled to your opinion and to be clear that is what you are stating. Your information is emotional with no foundation in facts. You should clarify that this is what you are delivering so people weight your information correctly. These forums are a good opportunity to share information with others who may have more knowledge or experience with a subject and I felt fortunate to be able to contribute in this discussion to give back to the community that I have received so much information from. If you choose not to accept the information that you are receiving from this discussion that is your choice please though state that this is your uneducated opinion in your post. You have a hatred for big oil and many find this understandable. You've showed in the past that you are misinformed on the oil industry and do not base your information in reality. The fact that you feel the current oil production limitations in the U.S. is fabricated and your misguided belief that ethanol can resolve this issue, which in your opinion is not real, also shows your lack of knowledge in this arena. If you do have serious questions about the industry and can be open minded to the truth feel free to P.M. me these and I can explain it better to you, as you seem passionate about it.

By the way I do know of multiple instances where people have had their cars break down because of contaminated fuel. In each instance the issue was H2O in the gasoline due to poor tank set-up at the gas station and in each case it was a Billy Bob style station. When we talk about ruining your engine we are not saying you are going to pull out of the station and end up hitting the On-Star button for a ride. We are talking small deposits that add up over miles and miles of use slowly gumming up your engine.

Could have sworn I already said this, but for those that have a hard time understanding. ALL GAS IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE ADDITIVES THAT CLEAN YOU ENGINE. ALL GAS HAS APPROX. THE SAME AMOUNT OF THESE ADDITIVES. REFINERIES MAKE GAS FOR MANY DIFFERENT STATIONS, INCLUDING BILLY BOB'S, CARRIED BY THE SAME TRUCK THAT GOES TO "TOP TIER" STATIONS. IS THIS SO DAMN HARD TO UNDERSTAND?????????????? THIS CRAP OF CARS BREAKING DOWN DUE TO GAS IS JUST BS. I AM SURE IT HAS HAPPENED, BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT. THEN AGAIN, CARS BREAK DOWN FOR MANY REASONS. SO DOES IT MATTER, YES, TO THE PARANOID AND STUPID. TO THE AVERAGE DRIVER, NO. Hell, I just got gas today at Sam's, I may not make it home. Maybe if I mix it with a tank of "top tier" then I will be ok. Is it me or is that just stupid??? As far as tank set up at the station, this has nothing to do with the gas, has to do with the installation of the tanks. Some of you should not own a car. You believe every half assed thing you hear. And as far as BS about oil production limitations go, spoken like a true oil man. Hell, if they were feeding my family then I would probably say the same thing.

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by CrymeLord

Well put cjegg.

Whenever someone doesn't like the facts, they immediately attack the integrity of the source, often with no evidence to back it up.

I half-expect someone to say you either don't work for an oil company or are some sort of plant. How else can they explain your lies!

WHAT FACTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT This guy works for a oil company, supposedly knows quite a bit about it, which he very well may, and yet will only put Chevron of Shell in the damn car. Then the insanity continues with running a tank or two through the family bus for what reason These are not facts, these are habits/disorders that he has developed or been taught. And the process continues.

[cjegg]

Originally Posted by lbsky

WHAT FACTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT This guy works for a oil company, supposedly knows quite a bit about it, which he very well may, and yet will only put Chevron of Shell in the damn car. Then the insanity continues with running a tank or two through the family bus for what reason These are not facts, these are habits/disorders that he has developed or been taught. And the process continues.

I stated the reason in my original post Shell, Chevron fuel actually removes deposits. I use Shell, Chevron because they have released more information then other Top-Tier companies on their additives and because they are the most dominant Top-Tier companies in my area.

You continue to use words like stupid paranoid etc. When you are the only one presenting a conspiracist, un-factual, un-educated, position. I receive my pay checks no matter who you buy your fuel from as I have stated and you have continually repeated all gas comes from the same refineries and is delivered through the same pipelines. The statement that a truck will cruise into Chevron and discharge a load and then go to Billy Bob’s and from the same tank discharge a load is a LIE, if you see it call Chevron and let them know they would be interested.

You don't have to work for oil to realize the oil shortage situation.

You've stated that the oil companies are greedy correct? Then you need to look at how BIG OIL makes their money. Once you get there you'll become very interested in reserves. Reserve information is released to the public so it is readily available. Then you'll want to look at consumption and more importantly consumption growths especially look at China and their numbers as well as the U.S. If there is more oil out there then what is being shared then you need to look at the countries that posses it and are un-willing to release it. The U.S. is one of these countries as well and we have many un-tapped oil sources that we are un-willing to exploit many times with merit. So is there enough crude oil to properly supply the world for the foreseeable future? Maybe we don't know yet. Is there enough oil AVAILABLE to supply the world for the foreseeable future? No!

As far as ethanol goes: Look into production facts and how much agricultural land is needed to produce one barrel of ethanol which I believe is the source you are most familiar with. Compare that with the love for Oil we have in America
and you'll find to problems. 1. We would quickly run out of ag land and would have to develop mores farms, which is extremely unhealthy to the earth if you’re looking at it from an environmental point of view. 2. The produce market would be screwed all that land would most likely be converted to ethanol to meet our needs; ethanol would get the go ahead in most models because of the profit they would be able to make. If you want to see alternative fuel methods put into play and have some money to invest I would be looking heavily at the future of the Hydrogen industry which seems most promising.

[CUINOZ]

HESS....F*ING STUFF IS CHEAP FOR 93 OCTANE AND i THROW IN SOME BOOSTER.....ALL IN ALL THE jAGUAR JUST LOVES IT...(SO FAR)....

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by cjegg

I stated the reason in my original post Shell, Chevron fuel actually removes deposits. I use Shell, Chevron because they have released more information then other Top-Tier companies on their additives and because they are the most dominant Top-Tier companies in my area.

You continue to use words like stupid paranoid etc. When you are the only one presenting a conspiracist, un-factual, un-educated, position. I receive my pay checks no matter who you buy your fuel from as I have stated and you have continually repeated all gas comes from the same refineries and is delivered through the same pipelines. The statement that a truck will cruise into Chevron and discharge a load and then go to Billy Bob’s and from the same tank discharge a load is a LIE, if you see it call Chevron and let them know they would be interested.

You don't have to work for oil to realize the oil shortage situation.

You've stated that the oil companies are greedy correct? Then you need to look at how BIG OIL makes their money. Once you get there you'll become very interested in reserves. Reserve information is released to the public so it is readily available. Then you'll want to look at consumption and more importantly consumption growths especially look at China and their numbers as well as the U.S. If there is more oil out there then what is being shared then you need to look at the countries that posses it and are un-willing to release it. The U.S. is one of these countries as well and we have many un-tapped oil sources that we are un-willing to exploit many times with merit. So is there enough crude oil to properly supply the world for the foreseeable future? Maybe we don't know yet. Is there enough oil AVAILABLE to supply the world for the foreseeable future? No!

As far as ethanol goes: Look into production facts and how much agricultural land is needed to produce one barrel of ethanol which I believe is the source you are most familiar with. Compare that with the love for Oil we have in America
and you'll find to problems. 1. We would quickly run out of ag land and would have to develop mores farms, which is extremely unhealthy to the earth if you’re looking at it from an environmental point of view. 2. The produce market would be screwed all that land would most likely be converted to ethanol to meet our needs; ethanol would get the go ahead in most models because of the profit they would be able to make. If you want to see alternative fuel methods put into play and have some money to invest I would be looking heavily at the future of the Hydrogen industry which seems most promising.

do not have a Chevron around me, but if you are interested about the tankers then I could go ahead and take pictures of them sitting at the Shell refinery getting filled up. Like I said, some marked some not. Sometimes I see a marked tanker at BP, sometimes it is not. Same for QT. As far as your bs about oil, this is why we have been paying 3$ plus a gallon, because of bs like this. Reserves, we are running out, we do not have enough refining capability, all bs. The only problem with ethanol is that is burns faster than gas, meaning less mpg. As far as running out of land etc, this is just the typical crap that comes from oil people. You should be ashamed of yourself. Back to the topic, yes deposits are removed by additives, which is REQUIRED...........this being the key word REQUIRED by law to be in ALL...maybe this is the key word.... ALL gas. So then, ALL gas will remove deposits. You should know this since you are a oil man This is where you get into the crazyness, Chevron cleans better than Shell. Shell cleans better that BP, how damn clean does it need to be? This is the same insanity people get into about changing their oil. IF IT MAKES YOU SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT TO FILL UP AT CHEVRON, SHELL, EXXON, BILLLY BOB'S, THEN DO IT. I have been driving for 19yrs and have never had a problem with my cars due to gas.

[cjegg]

Originally Posted by lbsky

do not have a Chevron around me, but if you are interested about the tankers then I could go ahead and take pictures of them sitting at the Shell refinery getting filled up. Like I said, some marked some not. Sometimes I see a marked tanker at BP, sometimes it is not. Same for QT. As far as your bs about oil, this is why we have been paying 3$ plus a gallon, because of bs like this. Reserves, we are running out, we do not have enough refining capability, all bs. The only problem with ethanol is that is burns faster than gas, meaning less mpg. As far as running out of land etc, this is just the typical crap that comes from oil people. You should be ashamed of yourself. Back to the topic, yes deposits are removed by additives, which is REQUIRED...........this being the key word REQUIRED by law to be in ALL...maybe this is the key word.... ALL gas. So then, ALL gas will remove deposits. You should know this since you are a oil man This is where you get into the crazyness, Chevron cleans better than Shell. Shell cleans better that BP, how damn clean does it need to be? This is the same insanity people get into about changing their oil. IF IT MAKES YOU SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT TO FILL UP AT CHEVRON, SHELL, EXXON, BILLLY BOB'S, THEN DO IT. I have been driving for 19yrs and have never had a problem with my cars due to gas.

You are seeing various truck leaving the same refinery. Each refinery keeps various additives in house for other oil companies. Again Shell keeps a tanks of Techron etc. I'm not claiming Chevron is better then Shell etc. I'm stating that Billy Bobs has minimum additive related more to enviromental concerns then car longevity this is what I meant by generic. I to have never experienced fuel related issues. I have though over a long period of time loweered the life of my engine, the results of which where lesser performance, burning oil, the need for higher octane to prevent knock, etc. etc. If I would have kept the car as long as I plan on keeping the Sky it would have been an issue. If you plan on keeping your Sky for many years to come it is worth considering, if it is another car to you and you will be dumping it in 5yrs go for cheapest.

Reserves only declare known quantities of fuel. They are more exagerated then they are minimized. The reserves any given company has determines it's stock price. The Shell scandal of 2 years ago should be fresh in everyones mind and is a perfect example of this.

Is $3 a gallon really that much? It hurts my wallet to, but we happily shell out way more then $3 a gallon for milk, juice, soda, and even water all of which are a lot easier to obtain and process. If we can't afford the fuel then people would stop buying non-efficent cars, change their driving patterns and the market would react. If it is that hard on you then you should make those changes and talk your friends into it I to would benefit from the lower fuel prices as well. I'm not at a level where my bonus or salary increases compensate for the daily expense.

[lbsky]

yes, 3$ a gallon is way too much for gas, and crazy for a gallon of milk. Get it here for 2.65, or on sale for 2.40. Oh well, I guess we just disagree on a few things.

[ggccg]

Summarizing...

1. Some minimum level of detergent additive is required in all gasoline.
2. Some additives are better at cleaning your engine than others.
3. Not all companies use the same additive or additives.
4. Some companies blend in more additives than others.
5. The distribution points where the tankers fill up for local deliveries provide fuel for many different retailers and blend in the additives that each company specifies for their product prior to delivery to the local stations.
6. Even though Billy Bob's delivery truck fills up at the same distribution facility as the Chevron station across the street, they are not getting the same product delivered.

[CrymeLord]

Originally Posted by lbsky

Back to the topic, yes deposits are removed by additives, which is REQUIRED...........this being the key word REQUIRED by law to be in ALL...maybe this is the key word.... ALL gas. So then, ALL gas will remove deposits. You should know this since you are a oil man.

He never said there were no standards or that some additives were not required. He said that the required additives were mostly for the environment, not your engine. He said that the Top-Tier gasses put more additives in than are required, more than the cheap grades. These additives are detergents that clean your engine. Seems pretty simple. I guess you didn't read that over your rantings and unbackable claims.

cjegg makes all logical points, and you make baseless accusations. Who am I to believe?

[ggccg]

After crude oil is refined into gasoline and other petroleum products, the products must be distributed to consumers. The majority of gasoline is shipped first by pipeline to storage terminals near consuming areas, and then loaded into trucks for delivery to individual gas stations. After shipment through the pipeline, gasoline is typically held in bulk storage terminals that often service many companies. At these terminals the gasoline is loaded into tanker trucks destined for various retail gas stations. The tanks in these trucks , which can typically hold up to 10,000 gallons, usually have several compartments, enabling them to transport different grades of gasoline or petroleum products. The truck tank is where the special additive packages of gasoline retailers get blended into the gasoline to differentiate one brand from another. In some areas, ethanol may be “splash blended” in the tanker to meet environmental requirements. When the tanker truck reaches a gas station, the truck operator unloads each grade of gasoline into the appropriate underground tanks at the station.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by CrymeLord

He never said there were no standards or that some additives were not required. He said that the required additives were mostly for the environment, not your engine. He said that the Top-Tier gasses put more additives in than are required, more than the cheap grades. These additives are detergents that clean your engine. Seems pretty simple. I guess you didn't read that over your rantings and unbackable claims.

cjegg makes all logical points, and you make baseless accusations. Who am I to believe?

ok dumbass, these additives CLEAN the engine. What is so unbackable. Damn some of you ****ers are stupid

[reedred]

Just when I thought this thread was finally dead...

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by lbsky

ok dumbass, these additives CLEAN the engine. What is so unbackable. Damn some of you ****ers are stupid

Easy now folks. Let's not get too worked up over what could be an interesting debate. We don't want to get too exicted here, lest we get gas.

[DTB]

Generic gas stations use the minimum amount of additives required by law.
Top tier gas stations use more additives, which do a better job of cleaning your engine. It's not a hard concept to understand. It's your decision whether to believe it or not. I think the reality is that most people will not put enough miles on their cars to see a significant difference.

What worries me more about generic gas stations is their underground tanks. They don't have the accountability that chain gas stations have. Different additive packs won't cause much if any difference in the way the engine runs, but water or other contaminants can leave you stuck on the side of the road, cause the check engine light to come on, or at the very least make the car run like crap.
I intentionally go to different gas stations each time I fill-up (just in case one is not as good as another) and I suppliment with bottles of "fuel injection cleaner" every once in awhile, but I generally try to stay away from brands I've never heard of because I want deep pockets to hold accountable I get a tank of contaminated gas (sorry Billy Bob).

[LostKnight]

I know this is an old topic but heres some info to throw at you guys.

Yes all gasoline does have some standards of what is required for detergents. Yes, the top tier companies use both better grades of and larger treatment rates in their gasolines than lower tiered companies. There are different variants of the detergents used for whether you live in colder regions or warmer regions.

Most of the gas additives for many of the different companies are made using a lot of the same ingredients. Only the exact formulation varies. Some will use more detergent than others. Others will use more anti-knock ingredients, etc... Matter of fact there are only a handful of major players in the gas additive manufacturing market; and many of the top tier companies do not make their own additive they purchase it from one or more of the gas additive manufacturers.

And as one last little thing thats more trivia than helful. Gas companies can and will add marker chemicals to their gasoline in certain amounts so that they can tell when a local distributor is buying off brand gas and selling it under their marketed name trying to skim money.