how long will we take it!D.I.F.F

[mdsky]

PROBLEM,report it to AAA,your local news papers,investigative news shows,you mother...but we have to start to raise a big stink...no more with the first year bullsh-t.

[Rick Tinley Park]

Originally Posted by mdsky

PROBLEM,report it to AAA,your local news papers,investigative news shows,you mother...but we have to start to raise a big stink...no more with the first year bullsh-t.

Except it is not a first year thing -- The Caddy has the same peoblem - so it has been known for some time...

[MidniteBlues]

Originally Posted by Rick Tinley Park

Except it is not a first year thing -- The Caddy has the same peoblem - so it has been known for some time...

Maybe so, BUT the BIG problem is it ain't fixed and they ain't fixin it. If they know the thing sucks why keep selling it? Obviosly the getrag rear-end is a peice of shlt--right?

[Rick Tinley Park]

I posted more out of amazement that if this has been going on so long - why haven't we heard about it?

[Ghost-Sky]

This is why people are buying cars from over seas.
(Ghost-Sky)

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by Rick Tinley Park

I posted more out of amazement that if this has been going on so long - why haven't we heard about it?

It's actually been out there for a while. I knew going in from both the solforum and other online resources that this was a potential problem area back in late '05 when I started the Sky-quest. That was a factor for me going into a 1st year car. My initial plan was similar to MB's in that I intended to go without the LSD for the better chance of fewer problems. As things turned out I had to accept the LSD but decided to very actively manage it. The jury's still out as to to what extent driveline->diff problems can be avoided in my experimentation, but it the G80 application here did have public history well before our cars were produced.

[mdsky]

GM.is very good at covering up their problems...now that the problem is or will be almost all of ours, sooner or later ,we should bring the problem to light ;so it can get the attention,and money it needs to be fixed for real.or we can keep getting temp fixes,leaving the car in the shop for countless days...and repeating the temp fixes...i don`t have the answer but WE can find one as a collective consumer group,bad press is not what GM. wants with saturn turning around.can we all say 13,000 jobs lost for daml/chyr.

[larry4pyro]

Fact of the matter is leaking diff, or not, the Sky, for me, is a keeper. It just has too much else going for it to let the leaking diff be a major distraction.

I'm on my second go around and I'm sort of getting used to the drops of oil on the floor. What I have a couple of questions. First, has the problem been fixed in the later models. Second, assuming it is not viable to fix earlier production cars, shouldn't GM extend the warranty on the diff for as long as the car is on the road?

Larry4pyro

[kwayne]

What other company makes LSD's; who makes the LSD for the corvettes? vipers? GT40? how about you gear heads any old LSD's fit into our pumpkins?

[nscrbug]

I'm sort of with Rick on this one. However, I don't think it's so much the issue of whether or not we were made aware of the problem...because many of us knew about it, going into it. I think it's more that the problem existed for so long before our cars were even produced...that one would THINK there would be a permanent "fix" for it by now. It just doesn't make much sense to keep producing cars using this problematic rear diff. Why aren't the GM engineers trying to figure out a solution that actually works instead of just applying a bandaid to the problem?

[Texas Red Line]

I don't have the leak yet, 2,800 miles. I think part of the problems is that if GM acknowledges the problem on a across the board basis then they move into some of the recall provisions. As far as not knowing the problem exist there must be at least three threads going now and as long as I have been on this forum there have always been active threads discussing the problem.

[JRinKY]

I don't have a leak at 10k + miles.

All of the LSD final drives aren't bad, and obviously failured units are a low enough percentage that GM feels it can afford to keep fixing them as they break.
We frequently get an exaggerated sense of the scope of a problem by reading about it here.
I am not suggesting that it is not a problem, just that its magnitude is not going to sink GM.

kwayne : What other company makes LSD's; who makes the LSD for the corvettes? vipers? GT40? how about you gear heads any old LSD's fit into our pumpkins?

The case or, in your words "pumpkin" is the problem.

[GaryH]

I, like JRinKY, am at 10K+miles and have no leaks. I wonder how many are like JRinKY and myself. I also wonder how we managed to get over 10K with no leaks and some Sky and Sol owners have had more than one repair and some more than one complete replacement. All I've done is drive mine. Haven't changed gear lube or added any special fluids made for LSD's. When I asked the service tech at my dealership about the leaky rearends, he acted like he did not know anything about it. Of course, my dealer is somewhat small and has probably only sold 20-30 Skys.

[fireman]

I for one started looking at the Sky last year, ordered it in march, and knew since day 2 of checking it out that there were issues with the rear end. And I still ordered the LSD and now 4 months of driving it later no leaks. BUT, even if it had leaked from day one, and took it back several times, the SKY is hands down one of the sharpest cars out there (yes IMHO). It is a first year car. You want consistant production, wait 4-5 years or go buy a Ford that hasnt had a redesign in years.

I have been asked if the Sky is a prototype, and some I say yes. Its a new car, all the new car issues, and the new car hype, and all the new car complaints.

And still, I wouldnt trade it for anything i have seen yet.(well maybe a Lamborg Contac S Have to remember, I drove a motorcycle for 18yrs and reliability was a real issue for me buying the Saturn... I am still happy with my choice. Does that mean everyone will be happy? No. I havent had any issues with the dealer I choose, or promises made or questions asked. Luck? I hope not, but time will tell.... But ask all those still waiting on the R/L if they would take it leaks and all....

YMMY....

[RMFNSKY]

I also knew going in about the problems the Sol's were having with the diff and knew that the Sky could have the same problems. Mine had a leak at 7k miles. What I probably do is drive it till the warrenty gets close than trade it in on a new one. By that time I would hope they would have some idea WTF is going on and get it fixed.


If not there are other roadsters out there.

[roadsterrage]

Just turned 10k this week and guess what I just found on the garage floor? Gonna have to be next week before I can get her in. Thought I'd made it through without any problem, but I guess mine's just a late bloomer.

[mdsky]

given the fact that we all love our cars and all the reasons posted why we will live with the defective D.I.F.F,if i were GM. i would not spend the time or money to repair the problem either.shame on us.

[MidniteBlues]

Originally Posted by JRinKY

I don't have a leak at 10k + miles.

All of the LSD final drives aren't bad, and obviously failured units are a low enough percentage that GM feels it can afford to keep fixing them as they break.
We frequently get an exaggerated sense of the scope of a problem by reading about it here.I am not suggesting that it is not a problem, just that its magnitude is not going to sink GM.

First question, do you have a LSD? and 2, I find incredible your statement highlighted above. NOT a PROBLEM?? This should not be happening ON ANY CAR!! The magnitude is not gonna sink GM?, perhaps not, But I can tell ya it is already big enough that I will not buy another Sky, not only that, now the R/L engines are crapping out also. So we still have an un-reliable rear-end LSD that can start leaking on you any time now, with no warning, hang in there, if it hasn't leaked on you it will, and now the R/L's engines are crapping out with a multitude of different symtoms and problems, they don't even have 100 miles on them--unreal--

Originally Posted by Texas Red Line

I don't have the leak yet, 2,800 miles. I think part of the problems is that if GM acknowledges the problem on a across the board basis then they move into some of the recall provisions. As far as not knowing the problem exist there must be at least three threads going now and as long as I have been on this forum there have always been active threads discussing the problem.

Totally AGREE, ONLY 3 threads? there have been a ton of posts & threads regarding this not only on this forum, take a look at the SOL forum, they have actually been insults thrown around over there at each other over this..

Originally Posted by larry4pyro

Fact of the matter is leaking diff, or not, the Sky, for me, is a keeper. It just has too much else going for it to let the leaking diff be a major distraction.

I'm on my second go around and I'm sort of getting used to the drops of oil on the floor. What I have a couple of questions. First, has the problem been fixed in the later models. Second, assuming it is not viable to fix earlier production cars, shouldn't GM extend the warranty on the diff for as long as the car is on the road?

Well if I wanted a Harley I would of bought one-
Q1-NO
Q2-Don't count on it

[JRinKY]

MidniteBlues : First question, do you have a LSD? and 2, I find incredible your statement highlighted above. NOT a PROBLEM?? This should not be happening ON ANY CAR!!

In a thread about oil leaks in LSD final drives, posting about not having a leak in a non-LSD final drive would be pretty stupid. Yes, I have an LSD.

I did not say it was not a problem, I said that this forum tends to exaggerate the magnitude of a problem. I stand by that statement.

MidniteBlues :....... hang in there, if it hasn't leaked on you it will,

You almost sound hopeful there, thanks for the good thoughts.

MidniteBlues :.....Totally AGREE, ONLY 3 threads? there have been a ton of posts & threads regarding this not only on this forum, take a look at the SOL forum, they have actually been insults thrown around over there at each other over this..

He did say "at least three threads going now".

[migg750]

Well my differential has been banging. NO LEAK but that clanging noise that I complained about in september well it was diagnosed as the differential. The dealership said they want to replace but Saturn Tech wont give them the ok to do it. SUCH BS MAN.. Even the mechanic is like they still havent given an answer yet? Its been 4 months he told me to bitch and moan other wise they will think i just got tired of complaining.

[JRinKY]