Spinning tires

RedlineBlue · 05-20-2008, 02:21 PM

Yes yes yes... you don't want to spin the tires, traction is better to make you launch, blah blah. But if you wanted to lay down some rubber how do you do it?

When I was younger I was able to lay LOTS AND LOTS of rubber with an AMC Gremin with a 3 speed manual slant 6 engine (yes really. It would also chirp the tires between gears too). I also had no problems with a 5.0 Mustang, a 440 Dart, and a 442 Oldsmobile but I am having trouble with my Sky. Traction control is the only thing I have off when I try to spin the tires.

If I slide my foot off the clutch at about 2,500 - 3000 it typically lugs.

If I go up above 3000 (don't ask me how high I ain't telling it was an oops) I got clutch slippage. Great smell.

Clutch seems to be fine, puling in third gear with the brake on the car really lugs without the RPM's popping up and it pulls fine.

I once got it to spin the rear wheels a little around 3,000 RPM but it wasn't steady like there was wheel hop or something chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp.

So any advice besides getting a Mallet?

Jeff Donald · 05-20-2008, 04:42 PM

What type of sky do you have? It's easy to do with a 5 speed NA (drop the clutch @ 3000 rpm) so I suspect you have a RL and the turbo may be the limiting factor.

RedlineBlue · 05-20-2008, 06:18 PM

Yep it's a turbo but I thought at 3K the turbo should be spooled up no?

SKY Spy · 05-20-2008, 07:54 PM

I have done a few full boar burnouts in my RedLine without any issues.

One time I tought I burnt the clutch up but it was all my fault, I didn't get of the clutch quick enough and all I got, like you was clutch slip...

Takes a little practice and some lack of fear...

Regards,

BA...

**ceeker** · 05-20-2008, 07:56 PM

You need to put it in competitive mode!

Hit the button twice, or shut everything off to spin the tires.

BlueSkyRL · 05-20-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ceeker

You need to put it in competitive mode!

Hit the button twice, or shut everything off to spin the tires.

Explained a little more....hitting the button twice puts you in competition mode...holding the button in for a slow count of 10 puts the car totally in your hands(no controls of any kind)

I have on a number of ocassions forgot I had it in no holds bared mode and took off hard from an intersection to the left and ended with a lot of smoke and nearly sitting side ways in the car after the fish tailing. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to do when you expect it but holy sh*t it scares the begesus out of you when your not ready for it!!

**ceeker** · 05-20-2008, 08:13 PM

Here's the best explanation if you don't want to read the whole post!

"Competitive mode does NOT turn off ESC. It becomes more "leniant" before it takes affect.

Basically here's all the systems....

ON - Start car. Everything is on by default. Traction control and ESC.

TRAC OFF - (push button once) Traction control is completely off letting you spin the rear tires as you please, BUT ESC is still fully active. If it senses a slide, it will adjust braking in necessary corners to regain control, or prevent loss of control in the first place.

COMPETITIVE MODE - (push button twice within 3 seconds) Traction control is completely off, BUT ESC is still active, but to a lesser degree. It will allow you to swing the car a bit more aggressively and actually will let you slide a bit before taking over. If it senses a severe slide or loss of control, then it will kick in like normal and apply appropriate braking to regain control.

TRAC OFF & ESC OFF - (hold the button in for 8-10 seconds) You will see the message TRAC OFF and ESC OFF in the cluster. You now have full complete control of the car, in exception of ABS. There is NO way to disable ABS. You could spin the tires and do as many drifts and donuts as you like in this mode....until you run out of tires

After you're done playing around or wish to return to "everything on", you just simply have to hit the button once, and everything will be turned on again, and you'll see the Traction Symbol in the cluster go away.

(FYI - The trac symbol in the cluster doesn't differentiate between modes, anything besides the default ON mode will show the same trac symbol)"

BlueSkyRL · 05-20-2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceeker

Here's the best explanation if you don't want to read the whole post!

"Competitive mode does NOT turn off ESC. It becomes more "leniant" before it takes affect.

Basically here's all the systems....

ON - Start car. Everything is on by default. Traction control and ESC.

TRAC OFF - (push button once) Traction control is completely off letting you spin the rear tires as you please, BUT ESC is still fully active. If it senses a slide, it will adjust braking in necessary corners to regain control, or prevent loss of control in the first place.

COMPETITIVE MODE - (push button twice within 3 seconds) Traction control is completely off, BUT ESC is still active, but to a lesser degree. It will allow you to swing the car a bit more aggressively and actually will let you slide a bit before taking over. If it senses a severe slide or loss of control, then it will kick in like normal and apply appropriate braking to regain control.

TRAC OFF & ESC OFF - (hold the button in for 8-10 seconds) You will see the message TRAC OFF and ESC OFF in the cluster. You now have full complete control of the car, in exception of ABS. There is NO way to disable ABS. You could spin the tires and do as many drifts and donuts as you like in this mode....until you run out of tires

After you're done playing around or wish to return to "everything on", you just simply have to hit the button once, and everything will be turned on again, and you'll see the Traction Symbol in the cluster go away.

(FYI - The trac symbol in the cluster doesn't differentiate between modes, anything besides the default ON mode will show the same trac symbol)"

OK...an even better explaination

Saber49 · 05-20-2008, 11:13 PM

ive got the tires to spin a few times... its usually in the lower gears and once im already rolling... if im in 2nd ill just jab the gas a bit through a corner and the back end will kick good... need to be above 3000 rpm then give er a jab. be ready to catch it though. especially if your in the rain.

Kustomkaps · 05-20-2008, 11:40 PM

And where is this magic button?

RedlineBlue · 05-21-2008, 12:05 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone. I understand the different modes well and how to get them into the correct mode. What I don't understand is why I won't spin the tires with traction off but I will in competiton mode? Why?

I do understand competiton mode is traction off and ESC in "fun mode" but shouldn't traction off alone allow the tires to spin?

RedlineBlue · 05-21-2008, 12:08 AM

Quote:

And where is this magic button?

Lower right under neath the radio and just above the center console where the shifter is. A button with a car and squiggly lines behind it. I hope I got that right from my feeble memory

Gerry · 05-21-2008, 07:31 AM

It's also easier to blaze the tires by going from idle, rev the throttle and dump the clutch while the engine is accellerating and mat the gas. If you just hold the engine to 3k rpm, the turbo won't spool since the engine isn't under a load.

The Gremlin would have had a 232 or a 258 upright six. Slant six was Chrysler.

RedlineBlue · 05-21-2008, 09:32 AM

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The Gremlin would have had a 232 or a 258 upright six. Slant six was Chrysler.

Yep, my bad. Good for you remembering the engines! I had a Duster that had the slant 6 and I must of had that in my head. I have no idea how I didn't blow up the engine in the Gremlin. I beat the hell out of it. I would be in a parking lot and get going backwards a good 15 - 20 MPH Put it in first, FLOOR the engine, pop the clutch and let the smoke fly. Left nice candy canes. I did this all of the time. Not too good eating through tires on Burger King salary!

Rob the Elder · 05-21-2008, 11:02 AM

I can chirp the tires in the first three gears without really trying since I installed the Dejon pipes, magnaflow and finished the break-in. As already stated, if you turn off the mother control you can do just about anything including doing a high side off the road totally out of control on melted rear tires.

bun1t · 05-21-2008, 11:50 AM

Not hard.
Hold Traction control button for 10 seconds.
Put in 1st gear
Bounce off rev limiter
Sidestep clutch
Press the brake lightly
Watch your money disappear

Not a big fan of useless burnouts but thats how you do them.

RedlineBlue · 05-21-2008, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Bounce off rev limiter Sidestep clutch

I wasn't hitting the rev-limiter (I woudln't do that) but I was fairly high when I tried this. The clutch did more slipping than the tires did.

bun1t · 05-21-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedlineBlue

I wasn't hitting the rev-limiter (I woudln't do that) but I was fairly high when I tried this. The clutch did more slipping than the tires did.

Getting high and trying to do burn outs?

Nevermind, I'm not going to contribute to the delinquency of idiots.

**RedHeaded RedLine** · 05-21-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedlineBlue

I wasn't hitting the rev-limiter (I woudln't do that) but I was fairly high when I tried this. The clutch did more slipping than the tires did.

Were you high or were the revs high? -J

RedlineBlue · 05-21-2008, 05:40 PM

Geesus no *I* wasn't high. I don't get high and even if I did I wouldn't be driving a car. I can see how I was misunderstood.

My point was: Even when not hitting the Rev. Limiter and the RPM's of the ENGINE was high the clutch slipped. Thus hitting the rev. limiter and doing this I would expect the clutch to slip even more. It doesn't smell very nice when the clutch slips.

bun1t · 05-21-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedHeaded RedLine

Were you high or were the revs high? -J

I guess thats a good question.

bun1t · 05-21-2008, 05:43 PM

I don't know how your clutch would be that bad. Unless you did a burnout that you thought was spinning the tires but was really burning your clutch.

05-20-2008, 02:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
RedlineBlue Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 120 My Photos: (0)	Spinning tires Yes yes yes... you don't want to spin the tires, traction is better to make you launch, blah blah. But if you wanted to lay down some rubber how do you do it? When I was younger I was able to lay LOTS AND LOTS of rubber with an AMC Gremin with a 3 speed manual slant 6 engine (yes really. It would also chirp the tires between gears too). I also had no problems with a 5.0 Mustang, a 440 Dart, and a 442 Oldsmobile but I am having trouble with my Sky. Traction control is the only thing I have off when I try to spin the tires. If I slide my foot off the clutch at about 2,500 - 3000 it typically lugs. If I go up above 3000 (don't ask me how high I ain't telling it was an oops) I got clutch slippage. Great smell. Clutch seems to be fine, puling in third gear with the brake on the car really lugs without the RPM's popping up and it pulls fine. I once got it to spin the rear wheels a little around 3,000 RPM but it wasn't steady like there was wheel hop or something chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp. So any advice besides getting a Mallet?

05-20-2008, 07:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
SKY Spy Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,893 My Photos: (47)	I have done a few full boar burnouts in my RedLine without any issues. One time I tought I burnt the clutch up but it was all my fault, I didn't get of the clutch quick enough and all I got, like you was clutch slip... Takes a little practice and some lack of fear... Regards, BA... __________________ 2nd SKY: 2008 RED on Red/Black Lthr RedLine Delivered - 7/14/08 Loaded Auto 3" Magnaflow, Lil Chromies & CAI 1st SKY: (Traded) 2007 Silver Graphite RedLine Loaded (-6CD) Deposit - 4/11/06 Order # KFDHH7 - 5/27/06 Delivered - 2/21/07

05-20-2008, 07:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
ceeker Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 559 My Photos: (16)	You need to put it in competitive mode! Hit the button twice, or shut everything off to spin the tires. __________________ Silver/RL 2007 - Black Top - Red/Black Leather 5th Break Light, DeJon CAI, IC Pipes Magnaflow, Opel Badges, tail lights. Hahn Intercooler, Westers Tune

05-20-2008, 08:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
ceeker Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 559 My Photos: (16)	Here's the best explanation if you don't want to read the whole post! "Competitive mode does NOT turn off ESC. It becomes more "leniant" before it takes affect. Basically here's all the systems.... ON - Start car. Everything is on by default. Traction control and ESC. TRAC OFF - (push button once) Traction control is completely off letting you spin the rear tires as you please, BUT ESC is still fully active. If it senses a slide, it will adjust braking in necessary corners to regain control, or prevent loss of control in the first place. COMPETITIVE MODE - (push button twice within 3 seconds) Traction control is completely off, BUT ESC is still active, but to a lesser degree. It will allow you to swing the car a bit more aggressively and actually will let you slide a bit before taking over. If it senses a severe slide or loss of control, then it will kick in like normal and apply appropriate braking to regain control. TRAC OFF & ESC OFF - (hold the button in for 8-10 seconds) You will see the message TRAC OFF and ESC OFF in the cluster. You now have full complete control of the car, in exception of ABS. There is NO way to disable ABS. You could spin the tires and do as many drifts and donuts as you like in this mode....until you run out of tires After you're done playing around or wish to return to "everything on", you just simply have to hit the button once, and everything will be turned on again, and you'll see the Traction Symbol in the cluster go away. (FYI - The trac symbol in the cluster doesn't differentiate between modes, anything besides the default ON mode will show the same trac symbol)" __________________ Silver/RL 2007 - Black Top - Red/Black Leather 5th Break Light, DeJon CAI, IC Pipes Magnaflow, Opel Badges, tail lights. Hahn Intercooler, Westers Tune

05-20-2008, 11:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Saber49 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 98 My Photos: (0)	ive got the tires to spin a few times... its usually in the lower gears and once im already rolling... if im in 2nd ill just jab the gas a bit through a corner and the back end will kick good... need to be above 3000 rpm then give er a jab. be ready to catch it though. especially if your in the rain. __________________ 2007 Polar White Saturn Sky Redline 2.0 L I4 Turbo 1986 Torch Red Pontiac Fiero GT 4.9L V8 N/A

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05-20-2008, 04:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jeff Donald Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dunedin, FL Posts: 33 My Photos: (0)	What type of sky do you have? It's easy to do with a 5 speed NA (drop the clutch @ 3000 rpm) so I suspect you have a RL and the turbo may be the limiting factor.

05-20-2008, 06:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
RedlineBlue Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 120 My Photos: (0)	Yep it's a turbo but I thought at 3K the turbo should be spooled up no?

05-20-2008, 11:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kustomkaps Supporting Vendor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: S.E. Michigan/Toledo area Posts: 793 My Photos: (0)	And where is this magic button? __________________ Chili Pepper Red Vin #1584 Down Payment June 6, 2005 Imaged March 8, 2006 Released to Carrier April 18, 2006 Delivered to Dealer May 5, 2006 In my Drive May 6, 2006 <--- My favorite logo

05-21-2008, 12:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
RedlineBlue Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 120 My Photos: (0)	Thanks for the replies everyone. I understand the different modes well and how to get them into the correct mode. What I don't understand is why I won't spin the tires with traction off but I will in competiton mode? Why? I do understand competiton mode is traction off and ESC in "fun mode" but shouldn't traction off alone allow the tires to spin?

05-21-2008, 07:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Gerry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 568 My Photos: (0)	It's also easier to blaze the tires by going from idle, rev the throttle and dump the clutch while the engine is accellerating and mat the gas. If you just hold the engine to 3k rpm, the turbo won't spool since the engine isn't under a load. The Gremlin would have had a 232 or a 258 upright six. Slant six was Chrysler. __________________ '08 Silver Pearl Red Line delivered 5 Oct '07 Three pedals Red leather Monsoon Chrome rims Spoiler

05-21-2008, 11:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Rob the Elder Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Parker Colorado Posts: 308 My Photos: (1)	I can chirp the tires in the first three gears without really trying since I installed the Dejon pipes, magnaflow and finished the break-in. As already stated, if you turn off the mother control you can do just about anything including doing a high side off the road totally out of control on melted rear tires.

05-21-2008, 11:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
bun1t Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The streets Posts: 290 My Photos: (0)	Not hard. Hold Traction control button for 10 seconds. Put in 1st gear Bounce off rev limiter Sidestep clutch Press the brake lightly Watch your money disappear Not a big fan of useless burnouts but thats how you do them. __________________ 2008 Sky Redline: Slow :( 2000 Ford ZX2: 50 trim turbo 303whp B5 Audi A4 1.8T: Slammed and Slow Kawasaki ZX6RR

05-21-2008, 05:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
RedlineBlue Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 120 My Photos: (0)	Geesus no I wasn't high. I don't get high and even if I did I wouldn't be driving a car. I can see how I was misunderstood. My point was: Even when not hitting the Rev. Limiter and the RPM's of the ENGINE was high the clutch slipped. Thus hitting the rev. limiter and doing this I would expect the clutch to slip even more. It doesn't smell very nice when the clutch slips.

05-21-2008, 05:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
bun1t Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The streets Posts: 290 My Photos: (0)	I don't know how your clutch would be that bad. Unless you did a burnout that you thought was spinning the tires but was really burning your clutch. __________________ 2008 Sky Redline: Slow :( 2000 Ford ZX2: 50 trim turbo 303whp B5 Audi A4 1.8T: Slammed and Slow Kawasaki ZX6RR