BSR tune 0-60 times??

[cfjara]

So i'm considering the getting the BSR tune. I've read alot about the issues and seen a lot of the dyno charts posted on this forum. I guess the only thing i haven't seen is how the increased HP translates to 0-60 times?
Does anyone have the BSR tune on the R/L who can share 0-60 times?

[JoeBIII]

Originally Posted by cfjara

So i'm considering the getting the BSR tune. I've read alot about the issues and seen a lot of the dyno charts posted on this forum. I guess the only thing i haven't seen is how the increased HP translates to 0-60 times?
Does anyone have the BSR tune on the R/L who can share 0-60 times?

I'm also very interested in learning of these results. I'm considering the tune myself.

[OneSky]

0-60 times:
0-60 mph Calculator - 060calculator.com
Speedworld Main Page

Quarter Mile times:
Acceleration Calculators

[GeniusInABottle]

I did some DashHawk 0-60 tests the other day and was pretty blown away with my results.

0-60 results:
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Normal: 4.9s
Competition mode: 4.8s
Competition mode + Brake boost: 4.5s

Now, I only did 4 runs (one was a throw-away, also got 4.9), but if these are anything close to accurate I'm quite pleased. I'll try and do some more tests soon, as I just updated to the new firmware and it erased the runs I'd previously recorded.

[BSRL]

I have also done some "unofficial" Dashhawk 0-60 times and have been anywhere from a low of 4.65 to the 4.9s. That was on the flattest most deserted road I could find and going both ways down the same road to see if there was a noticable difference one way or the other; didn't seem to be so I guess it was pretty flat.

[LeStrat]

Originally Posted by GeniusInABottle

I did some DashHawk 0-60 tests the other day and was pretty blown away with my results.

0-60 results:
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Normal: 4.9s
Competition mode: 4.8s
Competition mode + Brake boost: 4.5s

Now, I only did 4 runs (one was a throw-away, also got 4.9), but if these are anything close to accurate I'm quite pleased. I'll try and do some more tests soon, as I just updated to the new firmware and it erased the runs I'd previously recorded.

Sorry for my ignorance, could you please tell me what is 'brake boost'?

[GeniusInABottle]

Hold down the brake, rev to about 2500 RPM or so where the torque is supposed to be greatest, release brake. Not 100% on the RPM number, but that's the correct procedure.

As taken from Car and Driver:

"In testing, the automatic proved far easier to launch than the manual-equipped GXP. Depress both the brake and throttle pedal to build boost, drop the brake, and off you speed. "

[LeStrat]

Thank you!

Guess that cannot be done with a manual xD Anyway BSR has got the 4000rpm launch control, which is quite similar, I'll check my 0-60 this weekend.

By the way my Opel GT has got Magnaflow cat-back and BSR.

[compdoc777]

Originally Posted by LeStrat

Thank you!

Guess that cannot be done with a manual xD Anyway BSR has got the 4000rpm launch control, which is quite similar, I'll check my 0-60 this weekend.

By the way my Opel GT has got Magnaflow cat-back and BSR.

You can brake boost a manual. Heel toe the brake and gas with your right foot. Clutch with your left you have to be talented, but if you live in a hilly area and are used to driving a manual this should not be a problem.

Word of caution don't do this on the public street or any area with traffic and don't expect the clutch to last long.

[EcoBoost]

Amaizngly enough, 0-60 times aren't affected very much by different launch techniques, for they are time-to-speed, not time-to-distance (like a 1/4 mile time). In our testing, we are always impressed at how little the launch quality affects the ultimate time recorded.

The numbers here are consistent with what we've seen in our own testing with BSR. And yes, the automatics really scoot with BSR...dyno testing has shown a 70 WHP increase in 2nd gear!!

[BSRL]

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

And yes, the automatics really scoot with BSR...dyno testing has shown an 70 WHP increase in 2nd gear!!

How do you'll dyno an automatic? Any special set-up, what type of dyno do you'll use? I ask this because most dynos I see aren't capturing accurate numbers for them. I've already had a big debate with RPI as they had an auto with BSR and many other mods on their dyno and it only showed 205wph. There is no way that is anywhere close to accurate. They are trying to use that to say the BSR tune and other mods aren't very productive hp wise and I don't believe it. Your thoughts?

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by BSRL

How do you'll dyno an automatic? Any special set-up, what type of dyno do you'll use? I ask this because most dynos I see aren't capturing accurate numbers for them. I've already had a big debate with RPI as they had an auto with BSR and many other mods on their dyno and it only showed 205whp. There is no way that is anywhere close to accurate. They are trying to use that to say the BSR tune and other mods aren't very productive hp wise and I don't believe it. Your thoughts?

It's impossible for us to effectively address performance evaluations performed in another facility, much less by a vendor who sells a competing product.

I can, however, provide customer testimonials such as the ones in this thread, as well as dyno results that correlate with said testimonials:



In this graph, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear are shown, before and after PPC installation. This is why the 0-60 times are so impressive! We went WOT at 30 MPH, ran it through the gears and let it shift, just like you would on the street.

[GeniusInABottle]

I'm the one that tested so low, and have been in contact with Hahn directly. The problem with RPi's results is that I had competing product on my car, so his results can no longer be taken as objective. Personally, I don't believe that Eloy is purposely doing or saying anything wrong. I do, however, believe his results to be inccurate with regards to automatic transmissions.

In my conversations with Hahn he made it clear that the way in which they test automatics differs from the way Eloy over at RPi does. Is Hahn's way the right way? Who knows. But the numbers from RPi certainly didn't add up.

[BSRL]

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

It's impossible for us to effectively address performance evaluations performed in another facility, much less by a vendor who sells a competing product.

I can, however, provide customer testimonials such as the ones in this thread, as well as dyno results that correlate with said testimonials:



In this graph, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear are shown, before and after PPC installation. This is why the 0-60 times are so impressive! We went WOT at 30 MPH, ran it through the gears and let it shift, just like you would on the street.

That's great. I've seen about a half-dozen dynos with autos and none of them IMO have been that accurate. How long did your dyno run take? Was it short, like 10-15 seconds? or longer? I ask because the auto shifts quickly between the gears and you can't extend the dyno out like a manual because you go up close to redline in each gear with the manual. In 5-10 seconds you've already shifted through all the gears with an auto and I think that is part of the reason we don't get accurate numbers from them. The auto shifts way before peak in each gear.

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by BSRL

That's great. I've seen about a half-dozen dynos with autos and none of them IMO have been that accurate. How long did your dyno run take? Was it short, like 10-15 seconds? or longer? I ask because the auto shifts quickly between the gears and you can't extend the dyno out like a manual because you go up close to redline in each gear with the manual. In 5-10 seconds you've already shifted through all the gears with an auto and I think that is part of the reason we don't get accurate numbers from them. The auto shifts way before peak in each gear.

About 15 seconds for what you see there, perhaps a bit less. She ran to redline, or near, in every gear.

The car makes different power in each gear by design, so we have to analyze each gear individually. We cannot 'overlay' or interpolate the data from all gears, as doing so would only give us an average, not a real-world picture as shown in the graph I've provided here.

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by GeniusInABottle

I'm the one that tested so low, and have been in contact with Hahn directly. The problem with RPi's results is that I had competing product on my car, so his results can no longer be taken as objective. Personally, I don't believe that Eloy is purposely doing or saying anything wrong. I do, however, believe his results to be inccurate with regards to automatic transmissions.

In my conversations with Hahn he made it clear that the way in which they test automatics differs from the way Eloy over at RPi does. Is Hahn's way the right way? Who knows. But the numbers from RPi certainly didn't add up.

You cant compare an inertia dyno to an eddy current dyno. Hahn's been in business for a long time and they have been turbo charging motorcycles/cars for several years. Dont expect to see high numbers from a Dyno Dynamics...PERIOD. Its not a question about accuracy, Ive dynoed over 400 sessions and I can show you graphs stacked on top of each other within .25 of a whp. Thats ACCURATE.