Canned Tunes performance parts and your money.

[compdoc777]

Well that settles what I thought.

Fujita, Dejon and maybe GM CAI cause a loss of power.

SKY888 took his car to be dyno'ed after dynoing before with the 286 HP 307 torque to the wheels. With the BSR tune/Exhaust/Hahn IC.

He installed the Dejon pipes and Intake then dyno'ed again.

He was down 30 WHP even more Torque Air flow ratio 14.8 running lean 250 whp and 250 torque. Like mine I am sure retarding the timing at WOT and giving less than performance.

So if you don't have HP tuners or Westers tuned for you modified applications don't waste your money. The Dejon pipes, and CAI intakes will do you no good with the stock or BSR tunes.

Good news you can make 286 whp and 307 torque with a PPC/BSR and Hahn intercooler combo which is more than the GM tune they are offering, but it may make more if the mods can be tuned for the application.

Like the people from Hahn said use the stock Intake and pipe if you don't have HP tuners or westers tune tuned for you application.

HP tuners and westers will give you the abiltiy to tune for those mods.

The stock and canned BSR tunes loose power when updating the Intake side of the motor.

This being said if you want real power then the best way to go is to get the HP tuners and have it tuned for your mods. You get free updates for life and you can run the bigger everything and make power instead of losing it.

[BSRL]

So are you'll taking the CAI/IC pipes off and going back to stock? I see you have pretty much the same set-up.

[SKY888]

At the moment, I will not be removing the dejon CAI. I need it for car shows


I'm still hoping for stage 2 or 3 tune updates from BSR....so we'll see what happens.

I'll try to change the voltage, or get an aem fuel controller, or something....to give me more fuel ......im running lean at the moment

either I have a nice cosmetic engine set-up for car shows...........or have more whp and remove the dejon pipes....

or I might as well get the HP tuners......and have all the dejon pipes (have a power engine for drag....and have a cosmetic engine at the same time)..............and throw away my BSR tuner....

[bun1t]

Originally Posted by SKY888

At the moment, I will not be removing the dejon CAI. I need it for car shows


I'm still hoping for stage 2 or 3 tune updates from BSR....so we'll see what happens.

I'll try to change the voltage, or get an aem fuel controller, or something....to give me more fuel ......im running lean at the moment

either I have a nice cosmetic engine set-up for car shows...........or have more whp and remove the dejon pipes....

or I might as well get the HP tuners......and have all the dejon pipes (have a power engine for drag....and have a cosmetic engine at the same time)..............and throw away my BSR tuner....

So you'll take a 30+whp loss for car shows? lol

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by bun1t

So you'll take a 30+whp loss for car shows? lol

Price 'o' pretty. Keep it coming SKY888. Good stuff for all of us.

[compdoc777]

Originally Posted by BSRL

So are you'll taking the CAI/IC pipes off and going back to stock? I see you have pretty much the same set-up.

I am already back to stock intake and I will be removing the IC pipes this weekend.

I will purchase the HP tuners later and then tune the car with the mods.

[ceeker]

Originally Posted by compdoc777

I am already back to stock intake and I will be removing the IC pipes this weekend.

I will purchase the HP tuners later and then tune the car with the mods.

I can see the loss with the intake, but the IC pipes causing a loss of power does not seem possible.

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by bun1t

So you'll take a 30+whp loss for car shows? lol

I don't care about the 30+whp loss.........I don't run my car during car shows. So, I'm not sure what's funny about that

It's so easy to remove my CAI and put back my stock airbox when I am at the strip.....

I don't drag race on a daily basis....

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by ceeker

I can see the loss with the intake, but the IC pipes causing a loss of power does not seem possible.

when I did my dyno runs yesterday, the IC pipes didn't add or subtract any of my whp, when I put back the stock airbox. I was up 286-290 whp.

it's just the dejon intake causing the problems causing the boost to decrease at WOT (from 22....it just drops to 16-18 til redline). I was lean at that time too....and causing timing issues.

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by cerberus

Price 'o' pretty. Keep it coming SKY888. Good stuff for all of us.

at least now, I know what to do when I'm at the strip or at a car show.

with other forum members who have a similar set-up, and also have similar interests, compdoc's and my findings will help them choose what they want(go for cosmetics or go for whp)

they don't have to waste their money and buy CAI if they want the whp w/ their BSR tune.

But if they already have both, they can either just wait for stage 2 or 3 bsr tune or, just removed the cai, and put back the stock airbox. Or better yet, get the HPtuner and keep the dejon CAI ....Now you got the best of both worlds (cosmetics and whp)

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by SKY888

at least now, I know what to do when I'm at the strip or at a car show.

with other forum members who have a similar set-up, and also have similar interests, compdoc's and my findings will help them choose what they want(go for cosmetics or go for whp)

they don't have to waste their money and buy CAI if they want the whp w/ their BSR tune.

But if they already have both, they can either just wait for stage 2 or 3 bsr tune or, just removed the cai, and put back the stock airbox. Or better yet, get the HPtuner and keep the dejon CAI ....Now you got the best of both worlds (cosmetics and whp)

Exactly! In general, when it comes down to it, the only way we collectively learn is to have someone independent of any position step forward, take a shot at trying things, and test the results. By sharing what you learned with the rest of us, everybody gains! That's something to be applauded.

Sure, folks can pick apart details. We've certainly done that in the past with testing and presenting mod results. All the same, more data and more testing is a "good thing".

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by cerberus

Exactly! In general, when it comes down to it, the only way we collectively learn is to have someone independent of any position step forward, take a shot at trying things, and test the results. By sharing what you learned with the rest of us, everybody gains! That's something to be applauded.

Sure, folks can pick apart details. We've certainly done that in the past with testing and presenting mod results. All the same, more data and more testing is a "good thing".

i dont want to knock dejon CAI and pipes ............. they are really gorgeous! Too bad, they seem not compatible with BSR tune.

But the cons were washed out by the pros when I compete in car shows. I received a lot of positive feedbacks from different car enthusiasts and judges.

and yes....sharing experiences here at the forum.....everybody gains!

[G8TR]

Talked to the guys at GM Roadster earlier and they were in the middle of dyno on a redline. They told me that having a dejon cai will not affect their tune. Will be interesting to see if that's the case.

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by SKY888

i dont want to knock dejon CAI and pipes ............. they are really gorgeous! Too bad, they seem not compatible with BSR tune.

I don't think this test you shared knocks anybody. IIRC BSR said their tune was not created for that hardware configuration. Some folks may miss that, or try anyway, just as curious as we all are, may still try. You've provided backup in line with BSR's statement. Maybe I missed it, but did you dyno with and without the hardware mods but no BSR? Hood up and hood down, w/o BSR?

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by cerberus

I don't think this test you shared knocks anybody. IIRC BSR said their tune was not created for that hardware configuration. Some folks may miss that, or try anyway, just as curious as we all are, may still try. You've provided backup in line with BSR's statement. Maybe I missed it, but did you dyno with and without the hardware mods but no BSR? Hood up and hood down, w/o BSR?

yes bro, tried every possible scenarios

I was at the dyno shop for 5 hours I'm just happy that I was only charged for $75 by my friend We did numerous runs and cooled the engine in between.

When BSR tuner was installed, it was only 5 whp more compared to w/o BSR tuner.

[cerberus]

Originally Posted by SKY888

yes bro, tried every possible scenarios

I was at the dyno shop for 5 hours I'm just happy that I was only charged for $75 by my friend We did numerous runs and cooled the engine in between.

When BSR tuner was installed, it was only 5 whp more compared to w/o BSR tuner.

Ok, I'm gettin senile. Yeah, I saw your baseline and I/C dyno threads. Musta missed the CAI runs compared to baseline with and without BSR. Sounds like you owe your bud with the dyno at least a case a beer.

[SKY888]

Originally Posted by cerberus

Ok, I'm gettin senile. Yeah, I saw your baseline and I/C dyno threads. Musta missed the CAI runs compared to baseline with and without BSR. Sounds like you owe your bud with the dyno at least a case a beer.

I didn't even bother posting the dyno results since they were disappointing

On my way home last night from the dyno, I called COMPDOC, and told him the results, since him and I have very similar set-up and results. That's why he started this thread this morning in the first place.

my friend joe who co-owns the dyno shop is a very nice guy. He wanted to help out since he is very interested with the Saturn sky redline. I'm his guinea pig He usually works w/ honda/acura cars and american muscle cars....but never with a saturn. He is just very interested with our cars so he told me that it's not really a big deal