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Old 12-12-2008, 05:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Mine is on the way, so I guess I'll be one of the test subjects. Even more critical will be my wife, and I'm not going to tell her to see if she notices.
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Mine is on the way as well. We did not order one for the wife's car. Both vehicles are completely stock with no upgrades and identical five speed redlines, except color. lol So I should be able to report back a pretty good comparison between the stock and upgrade.
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:11 AM   #33 (permalink)
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You may want to edit the prices in the first post. I believe the dealer list price has gone up to $750.
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Good luck with this!

Come on people get real! You are all smarter than this.
Yes it is a great upgrade and fun to have but!!
With all the warranty issues people have had. Different stereos/ any electrical changes, ECM tunes, exhaust, etc. There has been tons of warranties canceled due to almost any change to the car. If the dealer sells it and installs it the local dealer usually will warranty it but that is a local thing the dealers do. The dealer pays for any problems not GM.

Myself, in about 2-3 weeks am pretty much wiping out my warranty as soon as I get my DDM stage II installed.

I sold auto parts for almost 15 years so I am not just blowing smoke.

We all know that GM and most dealers will try to and usually succeed in canceling your warranty.

Don't be fooled by the statement the your factory warranty is not effected. If you go ask your dealer, in most cases, you will find out other wise. Also be careful with the install. Not just anybody can do it.

See quote below.

"19212670 Performance Upgrade Kit for Solstice, GXP.SKY, HHR



Applicable: 2007, 2008, 2009 Solstice GXP/SKY RedLine

Installation labor: not included. Guideline is 1 hour installation.

Premium fuel is REQUIRED with this kit.

This performance upgrade enables no-lift shift feature.

This kit needs to be installed by a dealer and reflashed by the dealer. It does not void any warrantys. "



You can read and believe what you want but when the factory voids you're warranty don't be surprised.
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I would agree that any aftermarket ECM tune could, and most likely would, void the GM warranty, even if you had your dealership do the install. I consulted at length with my dealership about the tune (Westers I believe) sold by Saturn Motorsports, and my dealership is the local source for Saturn Motorsports. LMAO. But when official word came down about the warranty issue, I got the "Well technicality it could void the power train warranty, but we have never had any issues (from SM, and GM agreed)", my local dealership was not willing to cover.

But with the official GM produced and installed tune, all indications are that the GM warranty is not effected. If memory serves, they did the same thing with an upgrade for the original Ion Redlines. Perhaps one of the GM guys could chime in here with some official GM publication stating warranty preservation? Or refer us to someone that could provide us that documentation. It did sound like there may be some kind of literature in the kit packet addressing this issue as well.
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As the kit says, a legitimate install will not affect your powertrain warranty.
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Rewritten so as to continue to be a fact based thread. I apoligize for the conjecture in the OP.




Reread that section, it makes more sense now. The advertised HP numbers are lower than those advertised by aftermarket tuners. Until two tunes are on the same car on the same dyno in the same conditions we won't have a 100% accurate comparison number.
This is exactly why I have posted my vehicle performance numbers with the kit. Dyno numbers vary considerably, with large differences over 20 rwhp claimed that simply do not measure up when you actually do get a vehicle at a track and measure its true performance. Since my data comes from a Vbox III, I do not have a 'slip' per se, but the data is accurate.

I also keep track of conditions, ambient temperature, altitude, reported local baro, and dewpoint. I try to run my tests at a 1400'-2000' density altitude.


Also, you may want to change the name of the kit. It is not a 'stage kit', it is officially a "Performance Upgrade Kit".
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Looks like I will have to call back on Monday.
There is a special number the dealerships have to call to order it.

So I will find out on Monday.
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Looks like I will have to call back on Monday.
There is a special number the dealerships have to call to order it.

So I will find out on Monday.
WOOT!!
Coool, 'cuz my dealers waiting to order mine, but it doesn't yet appear in his system.
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Looks like I will have to call back on Monday.
There is a special number the dealerships have to call to order it.

So I will find out on Monday.
WOOT!!
Can somebody post the number that the dealerships have to call? Would be nice for everyone to have it to give to their dealer. Mine keeps saying that since they are not a GM Performance dealer that they probably won't be able to get it.
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Well here it goes...

I got mine from crateenginedepot.com. It's in the shop as we speak. The head service tech told me that mine is the first one . I have faith in them. They haven't wronged me yet.
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Can somebody post the number that the dealerships have to call? Would be nice for everyone to have it to give to their dealer. Mine keeps saying that since they are not a GM Performance dealer that they probably won't be able to get it.
There is no special number they have to call, I talked to my dealership already. They can not use their systems to lookup the information on the parts, but they can submit the order with the part number without ever looking it up and it will go through.
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Come on people get real! You are all smarter than this.
Yes it is a great upgrade and fun to have but!!
With all the warranty issues people have had. Different stereos/ any electrical changes, ECM tunes, exhaust, etc. There has been tons of warranties canceled due to almost any change to the car. If the dealer sells it and installs it the local dealer usually will warranty it but that is a local thing the dealers do. The dealer pays for any problems not GM.

Myself, in about 2-3 weeks am pretty much wiping out my warranty as soon as I get my DDM stage II installed.

I sold auto parts for almost 15 years so I am not just blowing smoke.

We all know that GM and most dealers will try to and usually succeed in canceling your warranty.

Don't be fooled by the statement the your factory warranty is not effected. If you go ask your dealer, in most cases, you will find out other wise. Also be careful with the install. Not just anybody can do it.

See quote below.

"19212670 Performance Upgrade Kit for Solstice, GXP.SKY, HHR



Applicable: 2007, 2008, 2009 Solstice GXP/SKY RedLine

Installation labor: not included. Guideline is 1 hour installation.

Premium fuel is REQUIRED with this kit.

This performance upgrade enables no-lift shift feature.

This kit needs to be installed by a dealer and reflashed by the dealer. It does not void any warrantys. "



You can read and believe what you want but when the factory voids you're warranty don't be surprised.
I am resisting the urge to comment on your style and the idiocy in your post but am taking the high road.

The dealers love to do warranty work. They get PAID by GM for doing the work. It is profit to them. Also, they have an opportunity to upsell you with more service and build a relationship so you are more likely to bring them the car and your business in the future.

The warranty is made by GM not the dealer. GM decides and GM pays.

If the General states in writing that the Performance Upgrade is fully warrantied, then that means that they will pay to repair the kit components and will NOT void your warranty just and only because it has the kit installed.
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I am resisting the urge to comment on your style and the idiocy in your post but am taking the high road.

The dealers love to do warranty work. They get PAID by GM for doing the work. It is profit to them. Also, they have an opportunity to upsell you with more service and build a relationship so you are more likely to bring them the car and your business in the future.

The warranty is made by GM not the dealer. GM decides and GM pays.

If the General states in writing that the Performance Upgrade is fully warrantied, then that means that they will pay to repair the kit components and will NOT void your warranty just and only because it has the kit installed.
Rob, RickyD's post is not really very far off. But, your "non-comment" WAS a comment. The "high road" would have been NO comment at all.

Having been IN and around the automotive trade since 1976, I can tell you that much of what he says is (at varying levels) correct. Having been on this and the Sol forums for over two years, it is clear that warranty STARTS at the dealer level - if they won't do it, it may not get done. Example: I installed a trailer hitch. GM has sent letters to Pontiac and Saturn dealers stating that the Kappa platform is NOT rated to tow ANYTHING, and thus towing can void the powertrain warranty. I have seen the letter. My store's Service Manager and I have shaken hands on the understanding that the hitch is for a bicycle rack!!! MANY threads on both forums have been started with a post about warranty compliance problems. I have seen all sorts of auto warranties voided, or claims denied, for the damnedest reasons by Ford, GM, Chrysler, and many import brands as well. Want another example? Subaru was looking at SCCA results to see who was racing WRX's and voiding their warranties. They were also voiding warranties if Subies were showing up at service departments WITH AFTERMARKET WHEELS !!!!!! And it stuck, too. There's more, too, but hopefully you see where I am going with this. That said, I do NOT agree with Rick's statement that most manufacturers TRY to void warranties. I just don't buy it.
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Interesting

After shipping Crates is cheaper by $5 even tho it's price is significantly higher for the part.
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