Squealing tires

The Red Baron · 07-03-2007, 11:40 PM

OK, so this is the first true Sports Car I've owned, but I've owned may others in the 36 years I've been driving. Most of them sticks, so I know how to drive a stick in my sleep.

I find it interesting that when starting into a turn from a dead stop (for instance at a light, where I'm first in line), even when I'm being "gentle," the rear tires will squeal it bit. (Not every time. Maybe 25% of the time.) I'm not trying to squeal them. But they do it anyway. This car really develops torque! (And no, I haven't disabled the limited slip differential, or put it in Competition Mode by mistake.)

Anyone else experience this?

Baron

mbeardsley · 07-03-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Red Baron

(And no, I haven't disabled the limited slip differential, or put it in Competition Mode by mistake.)

You may have just mis-typed, but I think you really mean "disabled traction control" not "disabled the limited-slip differential". They aren't the same thing.

duck833 · 07-03-2007, 11:53 PM

I get a little chirp once in awhile.

LANDSCAPE · 07-04-2007, 12:12 AM

yep, newer asphalt and painted lines chirp the most.

Enjoy the sound.... I do

SKY Spy · 07-04-2007, 12:23 AM

Remember that, especially in turns, your Limited Slip Differential will try to equalize the speed of both rear tires, hence the "squeal".

BA...

The Red Baron · 07-04-2007, 01:07 AM

Ahhh... that's the reason. Thank you! By the way, I received the rear light blinker thingy, and it will be installed on Thursday. Thanks!

Baron

xmicro_Redline · 07-04-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Red Baron

I received the rear light blinker thingy
Baron

Is that a technical term?!?!?!

3rd Brake Light Pulsar!

OldmansSky · 07-04-2007, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SKY Spy

Remember that, especially in turns, your Limited Slip Differential will try to equalize the speed of both rear tires, hence the "squeal".

BA...

It actually increases the torque bias applied to the slower turning wheel (inside during turns). The two wheels are connected by gears without a clutch between the axles.

http://www.torsen.com/products/T-1.htm

jel · 07-04-2007, 06:07 AM

I ordered my windrestrictor thingy tonight. The one with the eagle head with the flag in the eye.

LANDSCAPE · 07-04-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Red Baron
I received the rear light blinker thingy
Baron

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmicro_Redline

Is that a technical term?!?!?!

3rd Brake Light Pulsar!

THINGY is probably the most technical of all terms, it is responsible for just about every invention or discovery since fire (not to mention the increase in population)

Grog: what that hot thingy over there?

Org: Me call it "fire" it's nice on cold dark time, but hurts to carry, need to make a thingy to move it to next cave...

and thus the saga of "THINGY" has been going ever since!

JRinKY · 07-04-2007, 12:13 PM

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OldmansSky : It actually increases the torque bias applied to the slower turning wheel (inside during turns). The two wheels are connected by gears without a clutch between the axles.

http://www.torsen.com/products/T-1.htm

The Sky, my Sky at least, does not have a Torsen limited slip. It has the good old, garden variety, clutch pack limited slip which, as BA said, attempts to equalize the speeds of the rear wheels.

In addition to the squeal on dry pavement, it is responsible for much of the slipping and sliding that people complain about in the wet.

ShowGal · 07-04-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Red Baron

I find it interesting that when starting into a turn from a dead stop (for instance at a light, where I'm first in line), even when I'm being "gentle," the rear tires will squeal it bit. (Not every time. Maybe 25% of the time.)

Yep, it happens to us too. Maybe even more than 25% of the time.

V8 SKY · 07-04-2007, 01:24 PM

I find that I can squeal the tires in every gear, turning or not....

I just don't drive it like that.

**lorennerol** · 07-04-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GByrnes

I find that I can squeal the tires in every gear, turning or not....

I sure hope you can with the V8 under the hood!

**James L. Lee** · 07-04-2007, 02:44 PM

I get the same chirp from the tires often...the clutch engagement is very tricky compared to my other sports car and then the LSD adds to chirp...I like it and get some funny looks from people for squeeling my tires...

OldmansSky · 07-04-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JRinKY

The Sky, my Sky at least, does not have a Torsen limited slip. It has the good old, garden variety, clutch pack limited slip which, as BA said, attempts to equalize the speeds of the rear wheels.

In addition to the squeal on dry pavement, it is responsible for much of the slipping and sliding that people complain about in the wet.

Unique Saturn Sky Red Line specs include:
Standard torque-sensing limited-slip differentialStandard StabiliTrak electronic stability control

JRinKY · 07-05-2007, 02:47 AM

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OldmansSky : Unique Saturn Sky Red Line specs include:
Standard torque-sensing limited-slip differentialStandard StabiliTrak electronic stability control

"Torque sensing" does not necessarily mean "Torsen", and this would not be the first time that marketing information was not strictly technically correct.

The LSD fitted to the 07 NAs is a clutch-pack type according to the 06 Solstice service manual. I have not read anywhere that the RLs have a different design of LSD, and my 07 Sky service manual has not yet arrived from Helm.

Can someone with a service manual check the design of the LSD ?

Buzzard · 07-05-2007, 05:56 PM

Yea my car tires make alot of noise. I think the tires that come with the sky just suck! Ive had other sport cars and I could spin the tires and they never squeeled, you just heard the friction of the tire on the ground. I do drive a lilo fast and it sucks to have the tire noise since the cops will look at you more often cuase of your tires. Even when im not trying to drive fast mine still make noise so I understand your comment.

mc107988 · 07-06-2007, 06:45 PM

I also feel the stock tires suck. Everything I do makes them squeal. The road plays a big part in this. As soon as I drive out of NYC it's much better. As far as the tires thought they take too long to heat up.

mharv306 · 07-02-2008, 09:43 AM

Just purchased a Redline locally here in Orlando. New to the Saturn Sky , Traded an 05 Mini Cooper and while this car is primarily for the wife I still drive it some. The clutch engagement seems to engage about halfway up from the floor so it causes the wheel chirp. I know a new 5 speed takes some getting use to but is the engagement position adjustable by a dealer. It would seem to be much better if it were engaging closer to the floor. The vehicle is new with aprox 300 miles on it. Any ideas?

Bogie · 07-04-2008, 12:02 AM

I chirp 'em all the time. First gear is strong.

SCVanguard · 07-04-2008, 02:01 AM

Me too Bogie. Of

07-03-2007, 11:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Red Baron Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Robesonia, PA Posts: 91 My Photos: (0)	Squealing tires OK, so this is the first true Sports Car I've owned, but I've owned may others in the 36 years I've been driving. Most of them sticks, so I know how to drive a stick in my sleep. I find it interesting that when starting into a turn from a dead stop (for instance at a light, where I'm first in line), even when I'm being "gentle," the rear tires will squeal it bit. (Not every time. Maybe 25% of the time.) I'm not trying to squeal them. But they do it anyway. This car really develops torque! (And no, I haven't disabled the limited slip differential, or put it in Competition Mode by mistake.) Anyone else experience this? Baron __________________ RL, Silver Pearl, Ordered 4/7/07 Arrived 6/30/07 (An '08!) Premium Package - Red/Black Leather Monsoon XM-AM-FM-Mp3 6 disk CD Chrome Wheels Spoiler Splash Guards Armorcoat Sequential Turn Signals Pulsing 3rd Brake Light Locking Lug Nuts

07-03-2007, 11:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
duck833 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eugene, Oregon/Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 417 My Photos: (0)	I get a little chirp once in awhile. __________________ Ordered cars at two dealerships, ended up snagging one at Saturn of Beaverton, Oregon Member of the Snaggers Club RED Line Yellow Magna-Flow. CAI, chromies, stubby ant Loaded

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LANDSCAPE Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 330 My Photos: (2)	yep, newer asphalt and painted lines chirp the most. Enjoy the sound.... I do __________________ Landscape REDLINE #131984 Forest Green / Tan N tires Brake light pulse V2 WR Seat and Lumbar Mod Polished SS IC pipes Color match eng. cover VDI Doors Solo-Mach Lil Chromies, Chrome Domes, Billet Grill Dashhawk Green Neon Underbody

07-04-2007, 12:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
SKY Spy Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,893 My Photos: (47)	Remember that, especially in turns, your Limited Slip Differential will try to equalize the speed of both rear tires, hence the "squeal". BA... __________________ 2nd SKY: 2008 RED on Red/Black Lthr RedLine Delivered - 7/14/08 Loaded Auto 3" Magnaflow, Lil Chromies & CAI 1st SKY: (Traded) 2007 Silver Graphite RedLine Loaded (-6CD) Deposit - 4/11/06 Order # KFDHH7 - 5/27/06 Delivered - 2/21/07

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The Red Baron Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Robesonia, PA Posts: 91 My Photos: (0)	Ahhh... that's the reason. Thank you! By the way, I received the rear light blinker thingy, and it will be installed on Thursday. Thanks! Baron __________________ RL, Silver Pearl, Ordered 4/7/07 Arrived 6/30/07 (An '08!) Premium Package - Red/Black Leather Monsoon XM-AM-FM-Mp3 6 disk CD Chrome Wheels Spoiler Splash Guards Armorcoat Sequential Turn Signals Pulsing 3rd Brake Light Locking Lug Nuts

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James L. Lee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 237 My Photos: (0)	I get the same chirp from the tires often...the clutch engagement is very tricky compared to my other sports car and then the LSD adds to chirp...I like it and get some funny looks from people for squeeling my tires... __________________ Jim Red Line Manual Chrome Alloy Wheels Color: Bluestone Black Premium Leather CD/Ipod Monsoon 2002 BMW Z8 - Silver Pearl-red/black interior 2008 Toyota Sienna Limited with Bruan Handicap upgrade for wife in wheelchair

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Buzzard Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 53 My Photos: (0)	Yea my car tires make alot of noise. I think the tires that come with the sky just suck! Ive had other sport cars and I could spin the tires and they never squeeled, you just heard the friction of the tire on the ground. I do drive a lilo fast and it sucks to have the tire noise since the cops will look at you more often cuase of your tires. Even when im not trying to drive fast mine still make noise so I understand your comment.

07-06-2007, 06:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
mc107988 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glendale, New York Posts: 12 My Photos: (0)	I also feel the stock tires suck. Everything I do makes them squeal. The road plays a big part in this. As soon as I drive out of NYC it's much better. As far as the tires thought they take too long to heat up.

07-02-2008, 09:43 AM	#20 (permalink)
mharv306 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1 My Photos: (0)	Just purchased a Redline locally here in Orlando. New to the Saturn Sky , Traded an 05 Mini Cooper and while this car is primarily for the wife I still drive it some. The clutch engagement seems to engage about halfway up from the floor so it causes the wheel chirp. I know a new 5 speed takes some getting use to but is the engagement position adjustable by a dealer. It would seem to be much better if it were engaging closer to the floor. The vehicle is new with aprox 300 miles on it. Any ideas?

07-04-2008, 12:02 AM	#21 (permalink)
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Northern, VA Posts: 2,476 My Photos: (0)	I chirp 'em all the time. First gear is strong. __________________ 2008 Redline Black Onyx Black/Red Leather Monsoon 6 Disc Spoiler French Transmission Born July 2007 Snagged 8/31/07 Belle? That's my car Alizée? That's my avatar Me? Forty something male skydriver

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SCVanguard Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 188 My Photos: (0)	Me too Bogie. Of