TSB-07-05-25-007B Calibration Letter

**Jonnyredline** · 06-28-2008, 10:15 PM

Just got it in the mail today. The text of the letter is as follows:

"As the owner of a 2008 model year Saturn Sky vehicle, your satisfaction is very important to us.

This letter is to inform you that General Motors has developed an improved calibration for 2008 model year Saturn Sky vehicles and is now making this improvement available to you. This improvement is available at no charge during your New Vehicle Limited Warranty coverage period.

This new calibration will reduce the brake pedal effort that may occur during the first 60 seconds of driving your vehicle after it has not been operated for an extended period of time.

If you would like to have this new calibration installed in your vehicle, just contact your Saturn retailer to schedule an appointment that is convenient for you. Please reference bulletin TSB-07-05-25-007B when scheduling the appointment. Present this letter to your retailer as authorization to perform the upgrade."

Elff · 06-29-2008, 01:51 AM

Interesting.
I wonder if I will get one of those.
Fortunately, I have not had this issue yet.

**USA Sky** · 06-29-2008, 02:14 AM

Got mine today. Hope it works.

SCVanguard · 06-29-2008, 03:01 AM

Is this the ECBM fix or something entirely different?

Edit: not 10 minutes after I posted this I checked my mail and had the letter

Mad4MySky · 06-29-2008, 05:26 AM

I just received the same letter today as well.

kennysabarese · 06-30-2008, 07:12 PM

i bought my sky used. what do i have to do to receive notifications like this? is there some kind of registration process to let saturn know i own one of their cars?

Yo Jeff · 06-30-2008, 08:10 PM

Got mine today....

**ceeker** · 06-30-2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennysabarese

i bought my sky used. what do i have to do to receive notifications like this? is there some kind of registration process to let saturn know i own one of their cars?

I would guess you just call a local dealer and make an appointment with them.

The dealer needs to update the records to show you as the owner.

I purchased mine used as well (98 miles) and once I made a service appointment I was in there system.

kennysabarese · 06-30-2008, 10:44 PM

cool i have a shopping list of things i have to go to the dealer to have looked at

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceeker

I would guess you just call a local dealer and make an appointment with them.

The dealer needs to update the records to show you as the owner.

I purchased mine used as well (98 miles) and once I made a service appointment I was in there system.

samunoz1 · 07-01-2008, 11:46 AM

Could someone post a scanned image of this document please. I called my Saturn Service department and they said they have no record of any such bulletin. I also received one of these, but left the letter at home. The service manager asked if I could fax him this letter.

shabby · 07-01-2008, 03:25 PM

Give him the tsb number, thats all he needs.

3xHounds · 07-01-2008, 11:08 PM

I got mine yesterday, I take her in for my first tire rotation in the morning and will inquire. This sure doesn't sound like the retrofit that Bogie had previously posted about. I will post the results of my visit tomorrow.

**Rail Jockey** · 07-02-2008, 12:07 AM

I haven't received the letter yet. Was it from Saturn or the dealer?

SCVanguard · 07-02-2008, 03:04 AM

as posted in the other thread in the main board...

Dealer says it's just a relearn for the ECBM. It's all computer stuff that should take 45 minutes, they say.

ChgoBlues · 07-02-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rail Jockey

I haven't received the letter yet. Was it from Saturn or the dealer?

Any notifications like this come directly from Saturn. Dealers generally only send out sales and finance materials.

**Jonnyredline** · 07-02-2008, 10:58 AM

The letter came directly from Saturn and not from the dealer.

ygibb · 07-02-2008, 12:00 PM

Could this be the "recall" my dealer was talking about? I was in for some cosmetic touchups (paint on the steering wheel from factory) and he said there were 2 recalls that he could take care of while it was in.

One was something about the seat hardware adjustment, and the other was a "computer upgrade", and that's all he could tell me. Ha!

I never got a letter, I've only had my car for a month or less.

TINOONIT · 07-02-2008, 12:55 PM

where's my letter??????

I hope NHTSA has tested this out.

Bogie · 07-02-2008, 02:08 PM

1. This is for 08 RLs only.
2. This is not a recall.
3. Some late production 08RL have aux vacuum, and it either won't apply or is already applied at the factory.

As for the recall, I presume there is no recall because not everyone is having this problem, and not everyone will want the adjustment. The letter implies you have to request the update.

I will be holding judgment on this fix until we get some feedback from those who try it, or I try it and get first hand feedback.

Bogie · 07-02-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xHounds

I got mine yesterday, I take her in for my first tire rotation in the morning and will inquire. This sure doesn't sound like the retrofit that Bogie had previously posted about. I will post the results of my visit tomorrow.

My guess is the vacuum retrofit was an "option" they were looking at when investigating the problem. Perhaps they feel the current TSB fix sufficiently solves the problem. I believe the severity of jodenssky's problem resulted in an executive decision to send out a the vacuum option to meet a unique situation, but that option is not the ultimate solution. Albeit, it is probably available should users still experience problems after trying the current TSB update.

We'll get a better feel once folks try the TSB update and provide feedback here. I'll probably request it at my next oil change (in about a month or so) and will test it out.

shabby · 07-02-2008, 06:41 PM

I'll bet the fix just raises the idle to maybe 2000rpm to build up vacuum after startup, i bet they rather do this than an expensive retrofit of 2007 parts in all 2008 redlines.

Bogie · 07-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabby

I'll bet the fix just raises the idle to maybe 2000rpm to build up vacuum after startup, i bet they rather do this than an expensive retrofit of 2007 parts in all 2008 redlines.

They may do that for vacuum, but I bet they also have adjusted the sensitivity for initiation of OHB and/or changed the gains. The problem I have (and I suspect this is common for those having this problem) is the delay in time between pressing the brake and getting OHB to kick in, as well as the pressure required. I've always been able to stop my car....eventually....with OHB. The problem is getting it to respond before I plow into someone or some thing.

06-28-2008, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jonnyredline Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 32 My Photos: (0)	TSB-07-05-25-007B Calibration Letter Just got it in the mail today. The text of the letter is as follows: "As the owner of a 2008 model year Saturn Sky vehicle, your satisfaction is very important to us. This letter is to inform you that General Motors has developed an improved calibration for 2008 model year Saturn Sky vehicles and is now making this improvement available to you. This improvement is available at no charge during your New Vehicle Limited Warranty coverage period. This new calibration will reduce the brake pedal effort that may occur during the first 60 seconds of driving your vehicle after it has not been operated for an extended period of time. If you would like to have this new calibration installed in your vehicle, just contact your Saturn retailer to schedule an appointment that is convenient for you. Please reference bulletin TSB-07-05-25-007B when scheduling the appointment. Present this letter to your retailer as authorization to perform the upgrade." __________________ "I Drive Way Too Fast To Worry About Cholesterol" 2008 Chilli Pepper Red Sky R/L Black Top Black Leather Interior Monsoon System w/6 Disc Chrome Rims Spoiler RPI GT Exhaust Fujita CAI & ICP Lil' Chromies Stubby Antennae

06-29-2008, 01:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Elff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Keebler, PA Posts: 487 My Photos: (5)	Interesting. I wonder if I will get one of those. Fortunately, I have not had this issue yet. __________________ Lusiphur 2008 Polar White Sky Redline Hybrid Theory 2003 Jeep Rubicon Nugget 2003 Mini Cooper Jack 2006 Buell XB12R

06-29-2008, 02:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
USA Sky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spring, TX. Posts: 42 My Photos: (0)	Got mine today. Hope it works. __________________ 08 Silver Pearl RL 2 peddles and loving it. (been there, done that "3 peddles") Monsoon with 6 disks & XM Magnaflo Fujita CAI Spoiler K&N California Cover Pure fun....

06-29-2008, 03:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
SCVanguard Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 188 My Photos: (0)	Is this the ECBM fix or something entirely different? Edit: not 10 minutes after I posted this I checked my mail and had the letter __________________ Brad 2008 Sky Redline Chili Pepper Red Automatic 18" chrome Monsoon Spoiler Stubby RPI GT Exhaust, Downpipe, IC, and tune http://www.imsaturn.com/profile/BradMcCann Last edited by SCVanguard : 06-29-2008 at 03:08 AM.

06-30-2008, 07:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
kennysabarese Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northeast NJ Posts: 120 My Photos: (0)	i bought my sky used. what do i have to do to receive notifications like this? is there some kind of registration process to let saturn know i own one of their cars? __________________ 2007 Sky RL - Black on Black Purchased used with 8,500 miles 5/7/08 Chrome wheels RMR Style Bar - Silver Photos from MASSC Skylands Rally: http://www.kennysabarese.com/stuff/skylandsrally/

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06-29-2008, 05:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mad4MySky Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 149 My Photos: (0)	I just received the same letter today as well.

06-30-2008, 08:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Yo Jeff Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Parma, Ohio (Cleveland) Posts: 45 My Photos: (0)	Got mine today.... __________________ 2008 SKY Redline (Auto) Black Onyx / Interior Black&Red 18" Chrome / Monsoon / Spoiler Magna Flow Fujita CAI Bad Boy Air Horn 2008 SKY VUE Redline (Awesome SUV)

07-01-2008, 11:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
samunoz1 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 46 My Photos: (4)	Could someone post a scanned image of this document please. I called my Saturn Service department and they said they have no record of any such bulletin. I also received one of these, but left the letter at home. The service manager asked if I could fax him this letter.

07-01-2008, 03:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
shabby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: eh Posts: 346 My Photos: (0)	Give him the tsb number, thats all he needs. __________________ 2007 Solstice gxp

07-01-2008, 11:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
3xHounds Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middle TN Posts: 47 My Photos: (0)	I got mine yesterday, I take her in for my first tire rotation in the morning and will inquire. This sure doesn't sound like the retrofit that Bogie had previously posted about. I will post the results of my visit tomorrow. __________________ 2008 Suburst Yellow RL

07-02-2008, 12:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
Rail Jockey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Syracuse, Utah Posts: 245 My Photos: (0)	I haven't received the letter yet. Was it from Saturn or the dealer? __________________ Wait list 9/9/06 ordered 6/02/07 Born 6/24/07 Adopted 7/26/07 2008 Midnight Blue Red Line Black/Tan Chrome Wheels 3 Pedals Monsoon XM V2 Wind Restrictor Stubby Antenna Salt Lake City Roadsters http://www.saltlakeroadsters.com/

07-02-2008, 03:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
SCVanguard Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 188 My Photos: (0)	as posted in the other thread in the main board... Dealer says it's just a relearn for the ECBM. It's all computer stuff that should take 45 minutes, they say. __________________ Brad 2008 Sky Redline Chili Pepper Red Automatic 18" chrome Monsoon Spoiler Stubby RPI GT Exhaust, Downpipe, IC, and tune http://www.imsaturn.com/profile/BradMcCann

07-02-2008, 10:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
Jonnyredline Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 32 My Photos: (0)	The letter came directly from Saturn and not from the dealer. __________________ "I Drive Way Too Fast To Worry About Cholesterol" 2008 Chilli Pepper Red Sky R/L Black Top Black Leather Interior Monsoon System w/6 Disc Chrome Rims Spoiler RPI GT Exhaust Fujita CAI & ICP Lil' Chromies Stubby Antennae

07-02-2008, 12:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
ygibb Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 My Photos: (0)	Could this be the "recall" my dealer was talking about? I was in for some cosmetic touchups (paint on the steering wheel from factory) and he said there were 2 recalls that he could take care of while it was in. One was something about the seat hardware adjustment, and the other was a "computer upgrade", and that's all he could tell me. Ha! I never got a letter, I've only had my car for a month or less.

07-02-2008, 12:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
TINOONIT Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 122 My Photos: (0)	where's my letter?????? I hope NHTSA has tested this out. __________________ 2008 Sky Redline Polar White-Tan top with Bl/Tan Leather 6 Disk Monsoon System Spoiler

07-02-2008, 02:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Northern, VA Posts: 2,476 My Photos: (0)	1. This is for 08 RLs only. 2. This is not a recall. 3. Some late production 08RL have aux vacuum, and it either won't apply or is already applied at the factory. As for the recall, I presume there is no recall because not everyone is having this problem, and not everyone will want the adjustment. The letter implies you have to request the update. I will be holding judgment on this fix until we get some feedback from those who try it, or I try it and get first hand feedback. __________________ 2008 Redline Black Onyx Black/Red Leather Monsoon 6 Disc Spoiler French Transmission Born July 2007 Snagged 8/31/07 Belle? That's my car Alizée? That's my avatar Me? Forty something male skydriver

07-02-2008, 06:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
shabby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: eh Posts: 346 My Photos: (0)	I'll bet the fix just raises the idle to maybe 2000rpm to build up vacuum after startup, i bet they rather do this than an expensive retrofit of 2007 parts in all 2008 redlines. __________________ 2007 Solstice gxp