Add Turbo to a base Sky - Page 2

yellow 07 sky · 06-27-2008, 02:09 AM

My turbo died today.... The cartridge is shot. Diagnosed down to possible surge issues....

Do the Hahn's have any suggestions?

BigSkyCountry · 06-27-2008, 02:40 AM

This oughta be good...Ray

EcoBoost · 06-27-2008, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellow 07 sky

My turbo died today.... The cartridge is shot. Diagnosed down to possible surge issues....

Do the Hahn's have any suggestions?

We'd love to get a look at it for evaluation and comparison with your shop's findings. I'll be in touch with you Friday.

These units enjoy wonderful Mitsubishi warranty coverage that thankfully, we only occasionally need to invoke. So let's get ball rolling, and it should hopefully be a fast process. We'll also look into getting your '07 running like this one:

Hahn Stage 2 - 273 RWHP! - Pontiac Solstice Forum
Stage II..on Steroids! - Pontiac Solstice Forum

yellow 07 sky · 06-27-2008, 03:30 AM

All I can say is.... WOW. I just got off the phone, at this hour of the night with Bill Hahn. I'm blown away. Not only are we going to get working on fixing my issues, he wants to help me get the increased performance I've been looking for.

At this hour of the night, for a busy guy such as Mr. Hahn to take the time out and talk with me for a half hour, it really says something about his commitment to his product. I'm really looking forward to what we can do with this thing, and to see this car perform the way it was really meant to.

Thanks again Bill! I am truly thankful for you taking time out to help me with my situation.

Ironmancan · 09-02-2008, 04:53 PM

Vs starting another thread I think this questions fits this thread nicely. I bought my Sky about a month ago and now I'm looking at trading it in on a redline. I'm very familiar with forced induction is it a better idea for me to get the redline and modify it or just build what I've got. Looking for about 350 rwhp I'll be going the turbo route. Still doing my homework but your opinions and reasoning would be appreciated.

Rick

**G8TR** · 09-02-2008, 05:01 PM

Personally, I would trade for the Red Line and then upgrade from there. My new tune was shipped out of GMRoadster today and I can't wait to get it. Yeah, to begin with I'm going to only get about 275 RWHP, however I have been told that they are already working on upgrading that. They want to make sure everything is right with this tune first. They have done extensive testing and have already tuned a bunch of cars in their area, but they want more results before upgrade. Can't say as I blame them. The Red Line turbo is capable of a lot more, and I'm sure it's on it's way. Of course all of this is just my humble opinion.

Ironmancan · 09-02-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G8TR

Personally, I would trade for the Red Line and then upgrade from there. My new tune was shipped out of GMRoadster today and I can't wait to get it. Yeah, to begin with I'm going to only get about 275 RWHP, however I have been told that they are already working on upgrading that. They want to make sure everything is right with this tune first. They have done extensive testing and have already tuned a bunch of cars in their area, but they want more results before upgrade. Can't say as I blame them. The Red Line turbo is capable of a lot more, and I'm sure it's on it's way. Of course all of this is just my humble opinion.

Thats nice to hear. Not a big surprise that it may be a better deal to get the redline since she was built for FI and higher HP stock. Still a newb to this car and engine. Thanks for the insight.

SKY888 · 09-02-2008, 05:25 PM

I'll stick with the redline.....and upgrade for a bigger turbo kit......

Elff · 09-02-2008, 05:25 PM

The redline has some items included in it's price on top of the Turbo that makes it a really good deal.

Limited Slip is included in the price
Upgraded suspension [FE3 vs FE2]
Vents for cooling the front brakes
Better Tires
Dual Exhaust Tips

Add the Employee pricing and it's hard to not get the Redline. If you want the power, the nice thing is, you will have a lot of it on delivery with the redline and then you can go from there.
As far as insurance, the Redline is extremely inexpensive. I actually pay less for my Sky than I do for my motorcycle.

SKY888 · 09-02-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Elff

I actually pay less for my Sky than I do for my motorcycle.

true that!

I'm paying less now with my insurance compared to when I had my 2006 Acura RSX-type S

Ironmancan · 09-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Thanks thats the kind of info I haven't tracked down yet, thanks. One thing about being a ticket free old dude my insurance is always cheap lol.

SKY888 · 09-02-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironmancan

Thanks thats the kind of info I haven't tracked down yet, thanks. One thing about being a ticket free old dude my insurance is always cheap lol.

350whp will be achieved by the redline....

bigger turbo and hp tuner

once bald turbo freak get rid of some kinks of his project......his turbo kit is very promising....

uranium-238 · 09-03-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Elff

As far as insurance, the Redline is extremely inexpensive. I actually pay less for my Sky than I do for my motorcycle.

Shoot, I pay less for insurance on my redline than I did in my '07 civic ex.

yellow 07 sky · 09-08-2008, 03:57 AM

Keep the 2.4 and boost it.

My Hahn setup vs the Manager of the Saturn dealership's redline..... Hands down.

Sure limited slip is included in the price on the redline, but is it not standard in '08 on all Sky models? Traction control is nice, but how many of you leave it on all of the time? Plus all the dual exhaust really gives the redline is extra weight. A good highflow exhaust with a single outlet is lighter, and really no worse than dual outlets, because lets face it, that's all it is.

I love pulling up beside a redline, having some blow hard say "is that a redline?" then telling him no, and walking away from him. You can hear the hahn setup from a mile away. Haven't had one redline owner go for a ride in my car that didn't want to trade.

Elff · 09-08-2008, 12:19 PM

In bad weather I use the traction control all the time.

I'm not sure how many Redline snobs there are, but I know that I like all of them. I'm cool with people simply driving a Kappa and non GXP Solstice drivers were the ones who helped me make my decision.

Dave@ddmworks · 09-09-2008, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellow 07 sky

Keep the 2.4 and boost it.

My Hahn setup vs the Manager of the Saturn dealership's redline..... Hands down.

Sure limited slip is included in the price on the redline, but is it not standard in '08 on all Sky models? Traction control is nice, but how many of you leave it on all of the time? Plus all the dual exhaust really gives the redline is extra weight. A good highflow exhaust with a single outlet is lighter, and really no worse than dual outlets, because lets face it, that's all it is.

I love pulling up beside a redline, having some blow hard say "is that a redline?" then telling him no, and walking away from him. You can hear the hahn setup from a mile away. Haven't had one redline owner go for a ride in my car that didn't want to trade.

I have to agree, displacement is your friend here, especially looking at making 350 at the wheels with a turbo set-up and wanting to keep it happy as a daily driven car. When you look at getting the Redline and replacing the turbo, tubes and intercooler anyway, why not start with the bigger motor in the first place and doing the same thing and end up with a faster spooling turbo for the same power level?

Not that I am trying to sell Hahn kits (Although we do have a nice used Stage III Hahn here that will be for sale soon), but you can already get the power you want to the ground with turbo kits for the 2.4L already. By early next spring we will be making that power level with a supercharger also.

So my vote goes with the bigger 2.4L, if you are going to be extensively modifying the Redline. Now if you are happy with the stock turbo power levels, the Redline makes a lot more sense.

Just my .02

elahz · 09-09-2008, 11:50 PM

my pick REDLINe 2.0 Turbo with similar bore x stroke x displacement (s2000 3.4" x 3.3") (SKY RL 3.4" x 3.4") (BASE 2.4 3.5" x 3.9") of the 2.0 Vtec s2000 engine. DI is a plus, forged pistons, LSD and more stuff most importantly ESC, 20% more displacement on such a small engine i dont think it matters as much as the 2.0 is already more technologically advanced. I figured bigger turbo, valvetrain upgrade, Hotter cams, higher RPM 8k maybe or more (s2000 redlines abit higher 8.3k(HP PEAK)) i think if the aftermarket gets crazy like the hondas, the 2.0 could really be a monster. *DREAMS ON* another big plus of the 2.0 is still faster while you think what other mods you can do

uranium-238 · 09-15-2008, 10:21 AM

Let's not forget that the engine block of the 2.0 liter was DESIGNED for use with a turbo. Sure, you can safely run a turbo on a normal block, but blocks designed with turbos in mind can run more boost safely. Look at the ZR-1 'vette, they went with a smaller engine because it had thicker cylinder walls. Ywah, the block had less displacement, but it was better suited to forced induction.

Kinda the same thing here, only this time the engine was built from the ground up with a turbo in mind, with the 2.0's thicker cylinder walls being just one perk.

I'll trade off a little displacement for the ability to run considerably more boost anyday. I haven't run numbers, but if the cylinder walls of the 2.0 liter are indeed .5" thicker than those in the 2.4, it should easily be able to run enough boost to make up for the lost displacement.

Elff · 09-15-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by uranium-238

Let's not forget that the engine block of the 2.0 liter was DESIGNED for use with a turbo.

So very true.

Mallard · 09-15-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uranium-238

Let's not forget that the engine block of the 2.0 liter was DESIGNED for use with a turbo. Sure, you can safely run a turbo on a normal block, but blocks designed with turbos in mind can run more boost safely. Look at the ZR-1 'vette, they went with a smaller engine because it had thicker cylinder walls. Ywah, the block had less displacement, but it was better suited to forced induction.

Kinda the same thing here, only this time the engine was built from the ground up with a turbo in mind, with the 2.0's thicker cylinder walls being just one perk.

I'll trade off a little displacement for the ability to run considerably more boost anyday. I haven't run numbers, but if the cylinder walls of the 2.0 liter are indeed .5" thicker than those in the 2.4, it should easily be able to run enough boost to make up for the lost displacement.

0.5"!?! No way. The bore difference between the 2.0L and the 2.4L is 2 mm.

The 2.0L bore x stroke is 86 mm x 86 mm
The 2.4L is 88 mm x 98 mm

The block is the same between the two, except for the difference in machining.

winkie · 09-15-2008, 01:17 PM

I drive an automatic 2.4. I'm tired of shifting in traffic when going to work 5 days a week. When my husband talked to Sales at Hahn; they said that the programing for the automatic transmission has not been perfected yet.
Is anybody going to realize that not everyone drives a stick in their performance car? Maybe it's time to notice the other half of the Kappa platform (autos) and work on the mods needed to sell their performance kits to us too. My cash is sitting in the bank waiting for someone to "boost" my Sky...
Ok, I vented. Just another angry woman in a mans world...

06-27-2008, 02:09 AM	#31 (permalink)
yellow 07 sky Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 35 My Photos: (0)	My turbo died today.... The cartridge is shot. Diagnosed down to possible surge issues.... Do the Hahn's have any suggestions? Last edited by yellow 07 sky : 06-27-2008 at 02:49 AM.

06-27-2008, 02:40 AM	#32 (permalink)
BigSkyCountry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wyoming Posts: 190 My Photos: (0)	This oughta be good...Ray __________________ 2008 R/L with no cute little name... Stick, Midnight Blue, Black/Tan Leather Tan Top, Monsoon 6 Disc, Spoiler, Fujita CAI, MagnaFlow 3" CatBack, El Rancho red poly swaybar bushings ...and a block heater, unfortunately

09-02-2008, 04:53 PM	#35 (permalink)
Ironmancan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 18 My Photos: (0)	Vs starting another thread I think this questions fits this thread nicely. I bought my Sky about a month ago and now I'm looking at trading it in on a redline. I'm very familiar with forced induction is it a better idea for me to get the redline and modify it or just build what I've got. Looking for about 350 rwhp I'll be going the turbo route. Still doing my homework but your opinions and reasoning would be appreciated. Rick __________________ 08 Sky 06 PBM GTO Red Interior M6 I have a very efficient cold air intake APS 700rwhp 1969 Mustang Fastback 1956 Ford F100

09-02-2008, 05:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
G8TR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 784 My Photos: (3)	Personally, I would trade for the Red Line and then upgrade from there. My new tune was shipped out of GMRoadster today and I can't wait to get it. Yeah, to begin with I'm going to only get about 275 RWHP, however I have been told that they are already working on upgrading that. They want to make sure everything is right with this tune first. They have done extensive testing and have already tuned a bunch of cars in their area, but they want more results before upgrade. Can't say as I blame them. The Red Line turbo is capable of a lot more, and I'm sure it's on it's way. Of course all of this is just my humble opinion. __________________ Life is happenstance, coincidence and what you do to make a difference. Make the best of what you have, work for more and hope for health.

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06-27-2008, 03:30 AM	#34 (permalink)
yellow 07 sky Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 35 My Photos: (0)	All I can say is.... WOW. I just got off the phone, at this hour of the night with Bill Hahn. I'm blown away. Not only are we going to get working on fixing my issues, he wants to help me get the increased performance I've been looking for. At this hour of the night, for a busy guy such as Mr. Hahn to take the time out and talk with me for a half hour, it really says something about his commitment to his product. I'm really looking forward to what we can do with this thing, and to see this car perform the way it was really meant to. Thanks again Bill! I am truly thankful for you taking time out to help me with my situation.

09-02-2008, 05:25 PM	#39 (permalink)
Elff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Keebler, PA Posts: 473 My Photos: (5)	The redline has some items included in it's price on top of the Turbo that makes it a really good deal. Limited Slip is included in the price Upgraded suspension [FE3 vs FE2] Vents for cooling the front brakes Better Tires Dual Exhaust Tips Add the Employee pricing and it's hard to not get the Redline. If you want the power, the nice thing is, you will have a lot of it on delivery with the redline and then you can go from there. As far as insurance, the Redline is extremely inexpensive. I actually pay less for my Sky than I do for my motorcycle. __________________ Lusiphur 2008 Polar White Sky Redline Hybrid Theory 2003 Jeep Rubicon Nugget 2003 Mini Cooper Jack 2006 Buell XB12R

09-02-2008, 05:29 PM	#41 (permalink)
Ironmancan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 18 My Photos: (0)	Thanks thats the kind of info I haven't tracked down yet, thanks. One thing about being a ticket free old dude my insurance is always cheap lol. __________________ 08 Sky 06 PBM GTO Red Interior M6 I have a very efficient cold air intake APS 700rwhp 1969 Mustang Fastback 1956 Ford F100

09-08-2008, 03:57 AM	#44 (permalink)
yellow 07 sky Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 35 My Photos: (0)	Keep the 2.4 and boost it. My Hahn setup vs the Manager of the Saturn dealership's redline..... Hands down. Sure limited slip is included in the price on the redline, but is it not standard in '08 on all Sky models? Traction control is nice, but how many of you leave it on all of the time? Plus all the dual exhaust really gives the redline is extra weight. A good highflow exhaust with a single outlet is lighter, and really no worse than dual outlets, because lets face it, that's all it is. I love pulling up beside a redline, having some blow hard say "is that a redline?" then telling him no, and walking away from him. You can hear the hahn setup from a mile away. Haven't had one redline owner go for a ride in my car that didn't want to trade.

09-08-2008, 12:19 PM	#45 (permalink)
Elff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Keebler, PA Posts: 473 My Photos: (5)	In bad weather I use the traction control all the time. I'm not sure how many Redline snobs there are, but I know that I like all of them. I'm cool with people simply driving a Kappa and non GXP Solstice drivers were the ones who helped me make my decision. __________________ Lusiphur 2008 Polar White Sky Redline Hybrid Theory 2003 Jeep Rubicon Nugget 2003 Mini Cooper Jack 2006 Buell XB12R

09-09-2008, 11:50 PM	#47 (permalink)
elahz Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: MIAMI Posts: 44 My Photos: (0)	my pick REDLINe 2.0 Turbo with similar bore x stroke x displacement (s2000 3.4" x 3.3") (SKY RL 3.4" x 3.4") (BASE 2.4 3.5" x 3.9") of the 2.0 Vtec s2000 engine. DI is a plus, forged pistons, LSD and more stuff most importantly ESC, 20% more displacement on such a small engine i dont think it matters as much as the 2.0 is already more technologically advanced. I figured bigger turbo, valvetrain upgrade, Hotter cams, higher RPM 8k maybe or more (s2000 redlines abit higher 8.3k(HP PEAK)) i think if the aftermarket gets crazy like the hondas, the 2.0 could really be a monster. DREAMS ON another big plus of the 2.0 is still faster while you think what other mods you can do

09-15-2008, 10:21 AM	#48 (permalink)
uranium-238 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 503 My Photos: (0)	Let's not forget that the engine block of the 2.0 liter was DESIGNED for use with a turbo. Sure, you can safely run a turbo on a normal block, but blocks designed with turbos in mind can run more boost safely. Look at the ZR-1 'vette, they went with a smaller engine because it had thicker cylinder walls. Ywah, the block had less displacement, but it was better suited to forced induction. Kinda the same thing here, only this time the engine was built from the ground up with a turbo in mind, with the 2.0's thicker cylinder walls being just one perk. I'll trade off a little displacement for the ability to run considerably more boost anyday. I haven't run numbers, but if the cylinder walls of the 2.0 liter are indeed .5" thicker than those in the 2.4, it should easily be able to run enough boost to make up for the lost displacement. __________________ Black 2009 Saturn Sky Redline Manual transmission Black leather Monsoon stereo 6-disk CD/MP3 changer Stubby Antenna "Redline" Wind Restrictor Next Mod: JPM Shifter assemlby

09-15-2008, 01:17 PM	#51 (permalink)
winkie Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 3 My Photos: (0)	How About Automatics? I drive an automatic 2.4. I'm tired of shifting in traffic when going to work 5 days a week. When my husband talked to Sales at Hahn; they said that the programing for the automatic transmission has not been perfected yet. Is anybody going to realize that not everyone drives a stick in their performance car? Maybe it's time to notice the other half of the Kappa platform (autos) and work on the mods needed to sell their performance kits to us too. My cash is sitting in the bank waiting for someone to "boost" my Sky... Ok, I vented. Just another angry woman in a mans world...