Bsr + Ic = ?

[Jae]

Well I have only owned the SKY RL for one week and I already spent $1,600 on the BSR tune and Hahn Intercooler. I should have it in a couple weeks but in the meantime I would love to hear if anybody else has one and your thoughts on the combo. Thanks

[TravisJames]

I don't have the Hahn IC or the BSR Tune; however, they are two of the modifications I'm considering. I have received confirmation from Hahn Racecraft that the BSR tune will work fine with the Hahn IC but have been told that it will not work (or will not be supported) if you're using a CAI. I think someone posted a thread regarding this fact some time ago. Regardless, this makes me wonder if the BSR tune will work if / when other engine mods are made. At $1,000.00 I would hope that it would, but feel reluctant to spend that kind of money unless I know for sure. Keep in mind, I'm certainly no expert and really don't know much about the BSR tune, maybe someone who knows more about it (or one of the supporting vendors) can chime in and shed some light on the subject. Seems like there's a lot of untapped resources in the 2.0 L, I just want to make sure the BSR tune will grow with my engine as modifications are made.

[cavedyvr]

Personally, I am going to go with HP Tuners and Lyndon Westers Tune as it is compatible with various mods, is/will be updated and is less money.

You'll need to buy Hp Tuners Pro ~$650 and the tune is ~100. Considering the more personalized service I hear about from Wester it's a no-brainer really for me.

[Jaysmith2000]

Originally Posted by cavedyvr

Personally, I am going to go with HP Tuners and Lyndon Westers Tune as it is compatible with various mods, is/will be updated and is less money.

You'll need to buy Hp Tuners Pro ~$650 and the tune is ~100. Considering the more personalized service I hear about from Wester it's a no-brainer really for me.

Is the tune from Westers available now? I'll buy the HP Tuner setup today if that's the case...

[cavedyvr]

J,
Yes it is. I will pm you the info right now. I am pretty sure he is at v3 and he will provide updates for free. Can't wait til boost and ve tables are cracked based on all the comments about these variables still untouched.

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by TravisJames

I don't have the Hahn IC or the BSR Tune; however, they are two of the modifications I'm considering. I have received confirmation from Hahn Racecraft that the BSR tune will work fine with the Hahn IC but have been told that it will not work (or will not be supported) if you're using a CAI. I think someone posted a thread regarding this fact some time ago. Regardless, this makes me wonder if the BSR tune will work if / when other engine mods are made. At $1,000.00 I would hope that it would, but feel reluctant to spend that kind of money unless I know for sure. Keep in mind, I'm certainly no expert and really don't know much about the BSR tune, maybe someone who knows more about it (or one of the supporting vendors) can chime in and shed some light on the subject. Seems like there's a lot of untapped resources in the 2.0 L, I just want to make sure the BSR tune will grow with my engine as modifications are made.

We are indeed working on higher stages of the most successful tuner available for these cars, the Hahn/BSR PPC. We've been into the PCM's boost and torque tables for some time now, and lead the field in this regard.

The higher stages will be available to existing owners of the Stage I Tuner, so upgradeability is a breeze.

[cavedyvr]

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

We've been into the PCM's boost and torque tables for some time now, and lead the field in this regard.

Hi,
Can you be a little more specific with this comment? I must have misinformation as I had heard the HAHN/BSR PPC didn't control the commanded boost instead increasing boost through the wastegate solenoid?

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by cavedyvr

Hi,
Can you be a little more specific with this comment? I must have misinformation as I had heard the HAHN/BSR PPC didn't control the commanded boost instead increasing boost through the wastegate solenoid?

Its a matrix of the two functions, really. Ultimately, boost is controlled by the solenoid in any case.

[lil goat]

There is now a mechanical solution to solve the limp mode caused by increased boost. It is from Dejon, I have not tried yet but it looks promising, I am thinking it maybe an easy solution to some of the issues with the BSR tune and limp mode as well. I know Dejon has an HP Tuners solution available as the AFR needs to be changed. Lyndon Wester will only sell you his tune if you buy the HP tuners from him, got to make a buck you know. If you are not comfortable doing your own tuning and just want a good tune, the BSR is a great option. If you want to do your own thing and are comfortable the HP tuners ultimately offers, unlimited options.

[Jae]

I installed the BSR tune today and like the outcome a lot. I did get a little ping at first in lower rpms but that went away after a few pulls. I have to run 91 CA octane crapoline so ping was practically expected 'till the EMS adjusted. Power deliver is strong throughout the rpm range and am looking forward to the performance bump the IC should give me once installed. Now, its a real fun drive. Boost is much higher. I was only running 13-14 psi before the tune and now can run 21-22 at half throttle and 3500 rpm. Yeah, I like it.

[compdoc777]

I just purchased the Hahn BSR and IC and I hope it will give me some good gains. I am really only looking for mid to low 13's.

Does anyone know if we can add Nitrous to our cars? We have 93 octane where I live so I am not so worried about knock.

[Ahnuld]

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

Its a matrix of the two functions, really. Ultimately, boost is controlled by the solenoid in any case.

EcoBoost...

The Hahn site says:
Intercooler = 27hp
BSR Tune = 43hp

Any dynos with both installed? I'm sure its not as simple as adding the two numbers to make 70hp.

Any package deals?

With the stock RL turbo, whats the best mod combo for the price/perf ratio? Would you say its the intercooler and BSR tune?


Almost done....
Your "before" dyno at 190rwhp... is 27% off of the 260 gm stated engine number...
So applying the same math to "after BSR" (234 div by .73) then the engine HP could be estimated around 320hp??

Lastly... so I want to do the same math on BSR and IC... need the dual numbers!

[SSGTBARCLAY]

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

We are indeed working on higher stages of the most successful tuner available for these cars, the Hahn/BSR PPC. We've been into the PCM's boost and torque tables for some time now, and lead the field in this regard.

The higher stages will be available to existing owners of the Stage I Tuner, so upgradeability is a breeze.

Has the BSR Tune ever been done on a Redline before and after with the RPi Intercooler, Exhaust, Down Pipe installed?

When do you think that the Stage 2 and Stage 3 upgrades might be released?

Do you see the CAI not causing a problem with the Stage 2 and Stage 3 upgrades?

Thanks in advance with my millions of questions.

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by Ahnuld

EcoBoost...

The Hahn site says:
Intercooler = 27hp
BSR Tune = 43hp

Any dynos with both installed? I'm sure its not as simple as adding the two numbers to make 70hp.

Any package deals?

With the stock RL turbo, whats the best mod combo for the price/perf ratio? Would you say its the intercooler and BSR tune?


Almost done....
Your "before" dyno at 190rwhp... is 27% off of the 260 gm stated engine number...
So applying the same math to "after BSR" (234 div by .73) then the engine HP could be estimated around 320hp??

Lastly... so I want to do the same math on BSR and IC... need the dual numbers!

Sure thing...here ya go:


In the dyno graph above, you see 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears.

The Green line is stock.
The Blue line is with the Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner.
The Red line is with the Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner and Hahn Intercooler Upgrade.

With the exception of the tuner and the intercooler, the car depicted here is an otherwise completely stock 2007 Sky with manual transmission. Stock exhaust, cat, airbox, turbo, intercooler pipes. The airflow potential of these stock parts is much more substantial than many have been led to believe!

Yes, we are offering a package deal for both items right now for $1699. That's a $300 savings off regular pricing!

I would say that dollar for dollar, this is the best combo going, not only in terms of results, but in terms of engineering and long-term consistency. Hahn and BSR boast a combined experience level with Ecotec engines and with Direct Injection that is simply unsurpassed in the industry. Cars equipped with these components will not 'relearn' back to stock power levels.

As for the HP numbers you are discussing at the end of your post, I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing...where did you derive those numbers?

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by SSGTBARCLAY

Has the BSR Tune ever been done on a Redline before and after with the RPi Intercooler, Exhaust, Down Pipe installed?

When do you think that the Stage 2 and Stage 3 upgrades might be released?

Do you see the CAI not causing a problem with the Stage 2 and Stage 3 upgrades?

Thanks in advance with my millions of questions.

We'd not recommend the Stage I Hahn/BSR tune be used on a car with the exhaust airflow improvements you mention...although, some of our customers have decided to try exhaust mods anyway, and have enjoyed success.

Stage II and III are in development now, slated for early 2008 release.

No, proper CAI's will not cause problems. The key word here is 'proper'...there's some real garbage out there masquerading as alleged 'performance upgrade intakes' for the Sky. We'll know more about which ones we recommend as we get further along. For now, the stock airbox leaves little to be desired, and the stock PCM loves it so much, we just leave it there!

[sidejam]

Does the BSR tune work on the 2008 Sky Redlines with an automatic transmission???

[EcoBoost]

Originally Posted by sidejam

Does the BSR tune work on the 2008 Sky Redlines with an automatic transmission???

You bet! Automatics are particularly fun with The Hahn/BSR PPC, for their stock power levels in lower gears are more conservative than the manual trans cars. The gains are even more dramatic with the automatic!

[greedy]

Ecoboost:
I have the BSR tune and the Hahn I/C,a fujita A/I ,big bore throttlebody and a few other little tweeks...I love it! No issues!
I am really looking forward to a stage 2 or 3 kit with a BSR tune to be released from you guys(possibly a bigger turbo?)_...anxiously awaiting

the need for speed lives...
Greedy

[sushi]

Is it really that easy for the BSR tune. Just plug and go. Then anytime I can return it back to stock. If I don't want to add any other mod, I can just use the BSR tune alone?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by EcoBoost

We'd not recommend the Stage I Hahn/BSR tune be used on a car with the exhaust airflow improvements you mention...although, some of our customers have decided to try exhaust mods anyway, and have enjoyed success.

Stage II and III are in development now, slated for early 2008 release.

No, proper CAI's will not cause problems. The key word here is 'proper'...there's some real garbage out there masquerading as alleged 'performance upgrade intakes' for the Sky. We'll know more about which ones we recommend as we get further along. For now, the stock airbox leaves little to be desired, and the stock PCM loves it so much, we just leave it there!

[ceeker]

Originally Posted by sushi

Is it really that easy for the BSR tune. Just plug and go. Then anytime I can return it back to stock. If I don't want to add any other mod, I can just use the BSR tune alone?

Thanks.

Yup, Plug and Play!

Plug it back in and restore your stock tune any time you wish!