Dyno for RL with Magnaflow 3" & CAI

[Redsupersky]

Originally Posted by Hottexhaust

Eloy ...
6HP is on a 2.4L...

2.0L T results were posted by Richard ....30+ Max gain...22+ Peak...

OK, now I am really getting confused. Which is it Eloy?

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Hottexhaust

Eloy,
I find it hard to believe the misinformation you provided was done to intentionally mislead forum members....Am I right? Must have been a mistake?

Magnaflow ---1.800.824.8664....


Lets see how many people get the same supposed " answer" that Eloy got ?

I was going to say....stock I can see small gains, but the RL is turboed, this should open up a lot more HP..then 6hp....

[sky in pdx]

I just talked to Jim at Magnaflow.He said the 6-7hp gains were for 2.4.That the 3" catback system for the 2.0 turbo showed a 30hp gain.They will be posting a reply to RPI's claims in a day or two!

Tracey

[RPIpower]

Yep call them. 30hp on a stock redline? Anyone of you dyno one? Probably not. You cant even get 30hp without a retune because there is a torque limit set on the pcm for each gear.

I'm on the phone with Magnaflow now. Rich has me on hold and is speaking to the engineering department. Why should I lie about any of this? We are Magnaflow dealers and have been for about 7 years now. I'm just not a fan of internet tuning and throwing riceboy numbers out there. Its very misleading. If what you guys say is true then why didnt any of you guys put your money where your mouth was at the battle of the kappas? Tom came with his exhaust and CAI and it showed a 9whp loss. As soon as we dynoed it with the hood opened, he gained 6whp.

[RPIpower]

Ok, just got off the phone with Richard from Magnaflow and he said the realistic number is a 22hp gain. So I got 6whp last week and now its 22whp. He said someone must have gotten a hold of the 30hp gain from a previous test and posted it but its not realistic. Its a pointless argument. You guys can believe whatever you want. We'll see you guys at the next battle of kappas.

From Richard: "Of course we cannot guarantee hp gains. Each car is different."

Originally Posted by Hottexhaust

Eloy,
I find it hard to believe the misinformation you provided was done to intentionally mislead forum members....Am I right? Must have been a mistake?

Magnaflow ---1.800.824.8664....


Lets see how many people get the same supposed " answer" that Eloy got ?

The key to our success is being honest with our customers. Now you guys were just told 30hp, and Rich just checked with Engineering and they told me 22hp. LOL, which is it? First 6, then 30, now 22? Anyone with a Magnaflow exhaust can come dyno. I have atleast 5 redline base runs for you to compare them to. Those are strong words John. If anything your information is misleading and pulled right out of the riceboy archives. We've been selling Magnaflow/Carsound products for almost 9 years now so there is no reason for us to mislead our customers.

How many of you have ever tuned a car in your life? Typically exhaust or muffler shops are just that...muffler/exhaust shops. They dont tune cars nor do they build them.
The Skys have torque management and limits. See below:

The pcm needs to be tuned or else the gains will be compromised.
Here is another screen shot:

You guys are taking it personally and you shouldnt. The attacks on me only show that some people might feel threatened by me. Either that or they dont want facts given out.

[YellowSky]

i think you all should stop given Eloy a hard time and GO to his shop and put your car on the dyno.. then the #s will show you the truth about those shinny parts...

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by YellowSky

i think you all should stop given Eloy a hard time and GO to his shop and put your car on the dyno.. then the #s will show you the truth about those shinny parts...

I just think its FUNNY. Like its some kind of conspiracy. LMAO. None of the guys accusing me have ever been to our shop. So they have never see the Magnaflow products hanging on our walls. Haha. Just because we sell it doesnt mean we will give riceboy estimates to make a sale. They obviously have NEVER seen how the pcm works on the sky. Hopefully they will have a clue by the pictures I posted. Thats directly off an '07.

[snaponbob]

My turn. I installed a 3" MagnaFlow cat back right after they came out. NO, I have not dyno'ed my car.

Butt dyno results!
Based on limits of rear wheel traction (with ESC off) on the same piece of pavement, there is NO way that there was only a 6 horsepower increase. It simply must be much more. However, I have had vehicles with 12-15% power increases, and my RL does not feel like the increase was that large. I DO believe the claims of 22 hp increase at the wheels. NO, I can NOT prove or quantify the results. But my car is MUCH stronger than it was. I did switch back to stock for a week, and then back to the MF system, and the difference is NOT psychological.

I know this does not prove a damn thing, but I had to jump in.

[Redsupersky]

Originally Posted by RPIpower

I just think its FUNNY. Like its some kind of conspiracy. LMAO. None of the guys accusing me have ever been to our shop. So they have never see the Magnaflow products hanging on our walls. Haha. Just because we sell it doesnt mean we will give riceboy estimates to make a sale. They obviously have NEVER seen how the pcm works on the sky. Hopefully they will have a clue by the pictures I posted. Thats directly off an '07.

Eloy, I am in another state and I doubt I will ever be out to your shop. However, I do believe you with your claims and support you all the way! I just helped get your juices flowing in order to help get more information to us forum members. I know you have many many clients who have dynoed at your facility and therefore you do have a great deal of data to work from but you can't post their numbers without their consent. You can bet that many of us will be following this post and it has been very enlighting to say the least. I am looking forward to Magnaflows post.

[Bruce]

Eloy,
I just bought your GT exhaust

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by Redsupersky

Eloy, I am in another state and I doubt I will ever be out to your shop. However, I do believe you with your claims and support you all the way! I just helped get your juices flowing in order to help get more information to us forum members. I know you have many many clients who have dynoed at your facility and therefore you do have a great deal of data to work from but you can't post their numbers without their consent. You can bet that many of us will be following this post and it has been very enlighting to say the least. I am looking forward to Magnaflows post.

I appreciate your support. Remember, I was a victim of this kinda crap years ago. I remember the Jacobs Electronics rep telling me to buy washer/spacers for my spark plugs, selling me an ignition system, coil, etc and telling me it would give me 27hp. I was a student back then and I eventually shelled out $100 to get my car dynoed. With the ignition on, I got 1whp gain. So, racking up $800 on my Discover card, I got a measley 1whp and an alternator that kept dying.

Originally Posted by Bruce

Eloy,
I just bought your GT exhaust

Thanks Bruce. Exhaust went out today. I'll pm the tracking number to you. I spoke to one of the tech guys at Magnflow and we both agreed on one thing. That the exhausts are made for more power in mind. You wont get its full potential with a stock exhaust but will benefit from it much more later on down the line when more power is introduced.

[articfury]

Eloy,

First, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in this thread. I wanted to level set (gotta love manager speak) everyone.

The only inconsistency is the 6whp vs. 22/30whp.

You were told 22whp the last time you called Magnaflow which is exactly the peak value in the dyno graph posted by Magnaflow. Which just happens to have the 30whp value (max gain).

The point needing clarification is the difference in your first call and the second. This could be a simple confusion on the part of the person on the phone. Clarification from Magnaflow would settle all the confusion.

I'm coming into the discussion kinda late obviously. Is this exhaust a turboback exhaust?

D

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by articfury

Eloy,

First, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in this thread. I wanted to level set (gotta love manager speak) everyone.

The only inconsistency is the 6whp vs. 22/30whp.

You were told 22whp the last time you called Magnaflow which is exactly the peak value in the dyno graph posted by Magnaflow. Which just happens to have the 30whp value (max gain).

The point needing clarification is the difference in your first call and the second. This could be a simple confusion on the part of the person on the phone. Clarification from Magnaflow would settle all the confusion.

I'm coming into the discussion kinda late obviously. Is this exhaust a turboback exhaust?

D

This is for their catback system. The discussion has gone pointless as people will believe what they want to believe. I was told 6whp when I told them, my customer would want a refund if he didnt see the results that were advertised. I was then told 30hp, but when I asked about the pcm tuning and the torque limits per each gear set by GM, they told me 22hp. I then said, "ok, great thanks. So we should see about 20hp when we dyno our customer's car." I was then told, "well each car is different." Take the info anyway you guys want. Happy tuning!

[Skip]

Eloy, is that long grain rice I see there? Dang now you be making me hungry....Skip...

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by Skip

Eloy, is that long grain rice I see there? Dang now you be making me hungry....Skip...

There might have been. My wife and I have been slowly switching to brown rice. Its supposed to be more healthy for you.

[MidniteBlues]

One other matter that has been omitted from this discussion is the fact that you then add a HAI with ANY exhaust system (other than stock) defeats the whole purpose of the exhaust change. Would be better to leave it stock, then change your exhaust. I to am a believer in what Eloys approach to this whole matter is. Heck he's the one that has the toy to test all these so called upgrades, who are you going to believe? Then there are different types of dynos out there that will give you different numbers. Finally, the environment, one days readings could be higher or lower the very next day-- Only way to really know if you gained power is not a "but" dyno, but spend the 50-100 and do a real world test is MHO--Keep up the good work Eloy, man I wish you had a shop down here in South Florida--hell any where in Florida-- I would visit you and you could tweak my Sky up anytime--

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by MidniteBlues

One other matter that has been omitted from this discussion is the fact that you then add a HAI with ANY exhaust system (other than stock) defeats the whole purpose of the exhaust change. Would be better to leave it stock, then change your exhaust. I to am a believer in what Eloys approach to this whole matter is. Heck he's the one that has the toy to test all these so called upgrades, who are you going to believe? Then there are different types of dynos out there that will give you different numbers. Finally, the environment, one days readings could be higher or lower the very next day-- Only way to really know if you gained power is not a "but" dyno, but spend the 50-100 and do a real world test is MHO--Keep up the good work Eloy, man I wish you had a shop down here in South Florida--hell any where in Florida-- I would visit you and you could tweak my Sky up anytime--

Thanks brotha! If you guys are ever interested in a new product that is coming out, let me know about it. Unless its a rice mod or if its a item that will sell well, I will test it. Even if you bought a product and you are suspicious of the claims, but its still something that we would be interested in adding to our line of products, LET ME KNOW. I test EVERYTHING we sell for the cars.

I.E. the brakes we sell have been on my car, intercooler we sell is on my car, wheels we sell is on my car, exhaust we sell is on my car, every Hahn turbo kit, stage 2,3,4 has been on my car....Man, Brutus has taken a beating. :P

[Hottexhaust]

Eloy...obviously having a comprehension problem...

22hp is the gain at Peak
30hp is the max gain...as in the point at which the greatest difference in HP is noted...

Please don't twist the numbers another way again....

As for the riceboy comment...Dyno was posted by Richard when first tested in November...Do you need to see it again?

[RPIpower]

Originally Posted by Hottexhaust

Eloy...obviously having a comprehension problem...

22hp is the gain at Peak
30hp is the max gain...as in the point at which the greatest difference in HP is noted...

Please don't twist the numbers another way again....

As for the riceboy comment...Dyno was posted by Richard when first tested in November...Do you need to see it again?

Again John, you have never dynoed it. It doesnt matter if its peak, average or max gain. Its still a gain. Have you ever tested any of the products you sell or is it just whatever you are told, you pass onto the customer?

Its obvious that NONE of you have ever tested ANY of the products yourselves. Here is info from someone who HAS besides me:
http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/s...0&postcount=27

Dont rely on a false sense of gain to move a product. I shipped a Magnaflow 3" out yesterday and I told the customer it was a 5-7whp gain and he was fine with that. John, they still buy the systems whether you inflate the numbers on not. Lets just be realistic and honest here ok?

Since you are personally attacking me with your comments, it only proves to me that someone the truth may affect your sales. DOH. Not for us though! lol. We still sell just as many Magnaflow units as we always have been. :P We arent in the business of selling exhausts. We are in the business of improving performance on our customers cars. Misleading them has no advantages what so ever. They will only the exhaust from you once and never come back. Maybe thats why you are attacking me? Because once they buy an exhaust from you, there is nothing else to get from you?

BTW, I was just sent this from someone on the solstice forums. They just got their gxp dynoed with Magnaflow 3" exhaust.

Ouch, the truth hurts no? Not even our dyno or our customer and several states away. lol.