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Old 08-18-2007, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fake side vents

First I should say this mod was done on a base Sky not a turbo!!

Well, you know me always tinkering with the car.
So I decided to make those side vents really work. First I removed the panel then took a high speed wheel and cut out the back.
After I was done I washed them off thats why the one picture looks funny. It has water droplets on it. Then I put them back on and masked them off and painted them Satin Black. I then made my grill pieces and then installed them just holding them in place with a little silicone. Just to keep bird out really.
I am going to take some more under the hood temps tomorrow to see how they come out.
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Are the panels very hard to get off the car I have been wanting to do this since I got the car but am scared to pull them off due to paint quality.
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Me to, i think that looks great.
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No the panels come off real easy. There are 2 small ones on the top which you can see. Then the ones right behind the tire that go to the fender skirt, about 6 I think. Then there are 3 under the car. Two bigger ones and another small one. Then the fun one. There is one that if you open the door about half way you can get a 1/4 extension in there, from inside the car, to get that one and thats it. I don't know why I didn't do it right away. It took me only about 1 hour to do both. But of coarse I had air tools also.
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thanks did the paint come off when you pulled the screws on the top ones?
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Hate to be a wet blanket ................. but ------------

In June of 2006 there was a national Solstice convention here in Kansas City. GMPP sent a tractor trailer and so did Pontiac division. Lots on people from GM and Pontiac were there. So was a suspension engineer who was driving a pre-production prototype Redline. We had a very nice conversation. One of the topics was the side vents and the hood vents. He made it crystal clear that opening either top and/or side vents would cause some REAL problems. Apparently the air flow through the engine compartment has been pretty carefully developed. The problems he said that WOULD happen with open side vents is that too much hot air would flow out of them and would significantly elevate the temperature of the battery (on one side) and the ECU (on the other side) and would cause the "premature death" (failure) of both. I had no impression that he was blowing smoke up my shorts and I took his word for it.

Just thought I would pass along his comments.
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Hate to be a wet blanket ................. but ------------

In June of 2006 there was a national Solstice convention here in Kansas City. GMPP sent a tractor trailer and so did Pontiac division. Lots on people from GM and Pontiac were there. So was a suspension engineer who was driving a pre-production prototype Redline. We had a very nice conversation. One of the topics was the side vents and the hood vents. He made it crystal clear that opening either top and/or side vents would cause some REAL problems. Apparently the air flow through the engine compartment has been pretty carefully developed. The problems he said that WOULD happen with open side vents is that too much hot air would flow out of them and would significantly elevate the temperature of the battery (on one side) and the ECU (on the other side) and would cause the "premature death" (failure) of both. I had no impression that he was blowing smoke up my shorts and I took his word for it.

Just thought I would pass along his comments.
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Hate to be a wet blanket ................. but ------------

In June of 2006 there was a national Solstice convention here in Kansas City. GMPP sent a tractor trailer and so did Pontiac division. Lots on people from GM and Pontiac were there. So was a suspension engineer who was driving a pre-production prototype Redline. We had a very nice conversation. One of the topics was the side vents and the hood vents. He made it crystal clear that opening either top and/or side vents would cause some REAL problems. Apparently the air flow through the engine compartment has been pretty carefully developed. The problems he said that WOULD happen with open side vents is that too much hot air would flow out of them and would significantly elevate the temperature of the battery (on one side) and the ECU (on the other side) and would cause the "premature death" (failure) of both. I had no impression that he was blowing smoke up my shorts and I took his word for it.

Just thought I would pass along his comments.
I too have the the exact same thing in regaurds to opening the engine compartment and letting any more air in. The engine heat would go where it shouldn't and cause damage.

I love the look but will not take the chance.

If I was you I would just leave them as is and seal up the back with soemthing black, they will still look functional!
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Hate to be a wet blanket ................. but ------------

In June of 2006 there was a national Solstice convention here in Kansas City. GMPP sent a tractor trailer and so did Pontiac division. Lots on people from GM and Pontiac were there. So was a suspension engineer who was driving a pre-production prototype Redline. We had a very nice conversation. One of the topics was the side vents and the hood vents. He made it crystal clear that opening either top and/or side vents would cause some REAL problems. Apparently the air flow through the engine compartment has been pretty carefully developed. The problems he said that WOULD happen with open side vents is that too much hot air would flow out of them and would significantly elevate the temperature of the battery (on one side) and the ECU (on the other side) and would cause the "premature death" (failure) of both. I had no impression that he was blowing smoke up my shorts and I took his word for it.

Just thought I would pass along his comments.
If thats the case then you should take off that magnaflow and put back the stock exhaust because you're increasing horsepower and could cause "premature death" to your engine
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Hate to be a wet blanket ................. but ------------

In June of 2006 there was a national Solstice convention here in Kansas City. GMPP sent a tractor trailer and so did Pontiac division. Lots on people from GM and Pontiac were there. So was a suspension engineer who was driving a pre-production prototype Redline. We had a very nice conversation. One of the topics was the side vents and the hood vents. He made it crystal clear that opening either top and/or side vents would cause some REAL problems. Apparently the air flow through the engine compartment has been pretty carefully developed. The problems he said that WOULD happen with open side vents is that too much hot air would flow out of them and would significantly elevate the temperature of the battery (on one side) and the ECU (on the other side) and would cause the "premature death" (failure) of both. I had no impression that he was blowing smoke up my shorts and I took his word for it.

Just thought I would pass along his comments.
This sounds like a real issue to me, I can remember in the late eighties when they first started putting electronic ignitions in cars, heat was a very big problem causing premature failure. If I remember right there might even have been a class action law suit against ford over the failures.
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I think they look great BUT, the engineer snaponbob talked to is right about the heat issues. There was a post last fall about someone doing the same thing and took temp readings...got pretty hot if I remember right at the battery. Do your temp measuremnets and let us all know
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Mmmmmm?

This is good to know. I was into thinking about the Eng compartment temps that I wasn't thinking about pulling more hot air over the ECM and battery.
It is possible I guess. While I take my temps maybe you guys could take the temps by the ECM and on the battery then we could compare them. I have noticed the the Eng compartment temp has gone down a lot. Just messing around town it usually ran 145-157 and this afternoon when it was 90+ it was showing from 115-127. If it does allow that much heat to get out then I am going to leave them and just put a insulation blanket are both
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This is good to know. I was into thinking about the Eng compartment temps that I wasn't thinking about pulling more hot air over the ECM and battery.
It is possible I guess. While I take my temps maybe you guys could take the temps by the ECM and on the battery then we could compare them. I have noticed the the Eng compartment temp has gone down a lot. Just messing around town it usually ran 145-157 and this afternoon when it was 90+ it was showing from 115-127. If it does allow that much heat to get out then I am going to leave them and just put a insulation blanket are both
Interesting info. What are your temps around the battery/ECM?
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Actual temps. I think you all will be happy

Ok Guys and Gals
I went out and drove about 40 miles, 10 each way 4 times.
first I drove it out of town 10 miles with the probe right down by the ECM monitoring then I stopped and switched it to the other side to check the temps around the battery.
I then drove back into town. and stopped at Wally World and got some duct tape and closed the vents off. and did the same thing. Then I thought ok, I'll tape the probe right to the side of the ECM to see what it is running at temp wise. Ok on the road, vents open, the temp around the ECM and the battery was only .5 off from outside air temp which was 92. In town it only ran about 11-12 degrees above 92 so about 103-104. not bad for running only 40 MPH. With the probe taped right to the ECM driving around town moving only 40MPH it never got above 127 stopped at a light, And as soon as I started moving again it would drop 10 degrees in only a few blocks. I know what the Saturn guy said and on paper they probably thought "better not open them up" but looking down into the engine compartment and seeing the ground in so many places. Trust me there is plenty of air moving around. I just gave it another place to escape You have to remember the cooler you can keep any electronics, ECM or battery the better off you are and they will last longer also. I still have the probe taped to the side of the ECM and will watch it and let you know some more temps in a few days.
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