The mid turn boost

[AdamVIP]

The turbo does take a bit of getting used to. I found out first hand what happens when the turbo hits boost mid chicane at Willow Springs.

Its very managable if you keep it in the back of your mind that when you stomp it youll get that extra surge. I found its better to stomp early to get the boost and feather down from there if needed.

And as a side note I passed several elises that first day and a poor RS4 who had way too much body roll for the turns. I was talking to the instructor about the elises cause I used to have a celica GTS and he says the elises are very hard to control once you start spinning because of the rear engine layout.

[Midcoregeek]

Be careful if you have mods too and see below for some video I found on a guy going crazy.

YouTube - Sky Spin

[IronMan2003]

Originally Posted by Midcoregeek

Be careful if you have mods too and see below for some video I found on a guy going crazy.

YouTube - Sky Spin

Wow! What a Dumbass! Guy needs to learn how to drive, go practice in the rain in a huge empty parking lot or corners with tons of run off and no traffic. He obviously doesn't know how to work a steering wheel and a gas pedal. He looked realllllllllll cooooool.... especially taking off again like a 16yr old.

Trying to show off for the camera....... I know all about that........ It happens alot in the bike world. Just be yourself and everything will be fine, spontaneously acting a fool and your looking for failure.

[uranium-238]

In defense of the driver of that sky:
i've done similar things when the roads are wet in a pickup truck with way less power than a sky, and I'm a fairly competent driver. Cars can and will spin out for no apparent reason if the conditions are right. Don't believe me? Just look at NASCAR. On several occasions I've seen drivers get loose and hit the wall, on a straightaway, and sometimes without other cars close enough to cause aero problems.

I'd like to know more of the specifics of the situation before I pronounced judgement on the driver. What were the road conditions like? What tires did he have? what was the angle of the turn? (there's one left like that down here were you can break the rear tires loose easily on a dry road.)

[Elff]

That discussion occurred in another thread
It was an honest mistake that luckily resulted in no damage and no injuries

[IronMan2003]

Originally Posted by uranium-238

In defense of the driver of that sky:
i've done similar things when the roads are wet in a pickup truck with way less power than a sky, and I'm a fairly competent driver. Cars can and will spin out for no apparent reason if the conditions are right. Don't believe me? Just look at NASCAR. On several occasions I've seen drivers get loose and hit the wall, on a straightaway, and sometimes without other cars close enough to cause aero problems.

I'd like to know more of the specifics of the situation before I pronounced judgement on the driver. What were the road conditions like? What tires did he have? what was the angle of the turn? (there's one left like that down here were you can break the rear tires loose easily on a dry road.)

"For no apparent reason" You too are a fool then. It must of been a magical ghost that goes around shoving cars around .. You contradict yourself with your "Don't believe me reasoning" you provide the answer as to why but say there was no apparent reason.

I too drove a truck for many years. You saying "in a pickup truck with way less power then a sky" just tells me you know nothing about traction. You as the driver are responsible for knowing your tire characteristics, your vehicles, the characteristics of the road type and the road layout itself. On the note of your "Truck". Well first off Trucks with no load have some of the worse traction, there is no weight at all back over the axle. Therefor no down force on the tires, add a little water between the rubber and the road. Traction is obviously going to be seriously impacted.

There is always a reason, unless ofcourse you believe in car pushing ghost.
Just because you(not you in particular) "Drive" a car doesn't mean they understand or process anything mentally about whats actually happening and where the limits are. Maybe you(yes you in particular this time) should go play out in the rain in a parking lot or empty roads with lots of run off or sign up for a track day where you can begin to learn the limits of your car in a safe environment. There is no such thing as for no reason.

[uranium-238]

Remind me to get the heck out of the way the next time you're behind me in traffic, overconfident drivers like you tend to be the worse than teenagers driving with cellphones. I know plenty about traction, and in fact I could go so far as to calculate the grip tires provide, taking into consideration the weight of the vehicle, the force needed to break that grip, and what turns and accelerations will break that grip.

But for you to blindly state that the driver of that video is a fool is stupid. But, since you so skilled that you'll never lose rear wheel grip, you'll never accept that. A good driver can anticipate a dangerous situation before it happens, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to avoid it. Something like that can happen to anybody, i sugest you take note.

[Bogie]

Originally Posted by IronMan2003

There is no such thing as for no reason.

That's why we have the modifier "apparent".

[IronMan2003]

Originally Posted by uranium-238

Remind me to get the heck out of the way the next time you're behind me in traffic, overconfident drivers like you tend to be the worse than teenagers driving with cellphones. I know plenty about traction, and in fact I could go so far as to calculate the grip tires provide, taking into consideration the weight of the vehicle, the force needed to break that grip, and what turns and accelerations will break that grip.

But for you to blindly state that the driver of that video is a fool is stupid. But, since you so skilled that you'll never lose rear wheel grip, you'll never accept that. A good driver can anticipate a dangerous situation before it happens, but that doesn't mean he'll be able to avoid it. Something like that can happen to anybody, i sugest you take note.

NO! He is CLEARLY A FOOL! After he f-ed up HE IMMEDIALTLY ALMOST LOST IT AGAIN! Slamming his foot on the gas Trying to Still SHoW HOW COOL he IS!
Also how can you say blindly? I obviously SAW the evidence!

I also said I'll never lose rear grip. If I act in such a way I am fully aware of the possible outcomes. When you push the limit you will eventually go past/over it and hopefully can bring it back.
Sure a good driver can anticipate it but he Can Avoid it he truly wished too. For example all he had to do was cross the intersection in a safe manner, instead he decided its showoff time.
I'll agree with you that it could happen to anybody.. Anybody ACTING out of Line with the law! If you chose to drive in such a manner sooner or later is going to bite you in the ass. HE CLEARLY was trying to showoff and he messed up and went careening into oncoming traffic but luckly the oncoming truck went off the road to make room.

Originally Posted by uranium-238

Remind me to get the heck out of the way the next time you're behind me in traffic, overconfident drivers like you tend to be the worse than teenagers driving with cellphones. ........................
But for you to blindly state that the driver of that video is a fool is stupid.

Or try this one on for size... For you to Blindly to define my driving characteristics is "stupid".
I got evidence, where's yours?

I suggest you take the notes. I already know this lesson.

[uranium-238]

Originally Posted by IronMan2003

NO! He is CLEARLY A FOOL! After he f-ed up HE IMMEDIALTLY ALMOST LOST IT AGAIN! Slamming his foot on the gas Trying to Still SHoW HOW COOL he IS!
Also how can you say blindly? I obviously SAW the evidence!

You saw a guy start rolling after a green light, then spin out. If he'd really "slammed his foot on the gas" he'd have been squealing tires from the git-go. On a slick road it's way too easy to spin out on a turn like that, even at low speed.

Originally Posted by IronMan2003

I also said I'll never lose rear grip. If I act in such a way I am fully aware of the possible outcomes. When you push the limit you will eventually go past/over it and hopefully can bring it back.
Sure a good driver can anticipate it but he Can Avoid it he truly wished too. For example all he had to do was cross the intersection in a safe manner, instead he decided its showoff time.

So, you stay at home with the car in the garage? That's the only way to ever be 100% fully aware of all outcomes, and be guaranteed that nothing unexpected will happen. (provided nothing ever gets near your car, pets, people, tools, nothing.) If you drive a car, you have to accept that unforeseen things can and will happen. Spins can happen at speeds as low a 15 mph. Two words can sum up the unexpected rule of driving better than anything I know: black ice. Sometimes luck smiles and nothing bad comes of crossing some, sometimes it doesn't. And there's nothing ANY driver can do about it, other than stay home.

And judging from the vid, he did try to "bring it back," as you say. He spins to the left, then the car swings to the right.

Originally Posted by IronMan2003

I'll agree with you that it could happen to anybody.. Anybody ACTING out of Line with the law! If you chose to drive in such a manner sooner or later is going to bite you in the ass. HE CLEARLY was trying to showoff and he messed up and went careening into oncoming traffic but luckly the oncoming truck went off the road to make room.

GEEZE! He accelerated at a green light! WOW! What do you know, you actually have to press the gas pedal to make the car move forward!

Going back to that nasty left-hand turn that I mentioned earlier, you can easily spin out while driving within all posted speed limits and traffic laws. And till he spun, he didn't do anything illegal. Last time I looked there wasn't a law against accelerating hard on a public road, as long as you're not racing and you don't chirp the tires.

Originally Posted by IronMan2003

Or try this one on for size... For you to Blindly to define my driving characteristics is "stupid".
I got evidence, where's yours?

I suggest you take the notes. I already know this lesson.

Evidence? I've got evidence that you've assumed that this driver is a showoff and an idiot, and don't know ANY of the circumstances surrounding this incident. You just up and jumped this guy out of nowhere. Hell, you might actually be correct, maybe he was showing off. But it doesn't matter, because there's not enough evidence to support either judgement in the video. The road could have been wet, he could have

[IronMan2003]

^ Perhaps you need to watch the video again. He is clearly on the gas as soon as he is in the middle of the intersection. If he was Driving completely normal like you are obviously trying to make it seem then Id like to see you drive exactly as he did right infront of a cop. If you are driving responsibly there is no need for squealing tires when making a left hand turn from a stop sign in which he failed to make a complete stop at.

I'm done arguing about this.

[uranium-238]

I'm just saying it's not fair to judge him like this based only on what's seen in this video. Since we don't actually see him spin out it's even harder to tell for certain what happened. I hear him rev once to start rolling, ending with him spinning. We hear a second rev as he's spinning through the other lane. (could that be a downshift?) Could he have been more careful? probably. Was it just mid-turn boost catching someone off-guard? maybe. There are plenty of other possible explanations other than "He was showing off."

Also, in Maryland at least, left turns like that are either green, red, or yield...

[cerberus]

Doesn't sound like we'll reach a concensus here, but getting kinda heavy... Might need to just agree to disagree, but let's at least keep it civil. Thanks.