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Old 01-25-2012, 02:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i just installed a Fujita F5 CAI on my 2007 Saturn sky redline.
now when i let off the throttle, right before the BOV noise, there is like a loud sucking noise or something of the sort. its like a flap opening a closing type of noise. its almost as loud as the BOV noise.
if u have any idea of what im talking about then plz help me on whats wrong or wat might be causing it....
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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that's the noise you get after installing an aftermarket intake. The baffles built into the stock airbox rid this noise which is why stock its not too loud, more of the whistle. Without the baffles you're getting the loud SWOOSH. Typical with an aftermarket intake. If you don't like it I may take the Fujita off your hands
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This is why the first mod I did was upgraded pipes with an aftermarket vent to atmosphere valve.

The stock bypass valve makes the "turkey gobble" the aftermarket BOV makes the swoosh that you are looking for!
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thanks guys. i have it all figured out now. i brought it to a specialty speed shop and had them do some "re-working" lol
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where is the CAI for the Redline? Everyone I have seen indicates that it is for the NA 2.4L - not the Turbo 2.0L.
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where is the CAI for the Redline? Everyone I have seen indicates that it is for the NA 2.4L - not the Turbo 2.0L.
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yeah their prices are extremely high IMO. I love ALL the products they offer and will be spending quite a bit of money to Dejon so I'm in no way talking down about the company. BUT for $240 you get a piece of straight pipe with a filter, doesn't even include the lower intake pipe which is another $139....

$379 plus shipping...ouch
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yeah their prices are extremely high IMO. I love ALL the products they offer and will be spending quite a bit of money to Dejon so I'm in no way talking down about the company. BUT for $240 you get a piece of straight pipe with a filter, doesn't even include the lower intake pipe which is another $139....

$379 plus shipping...ouch
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fujita f5 cai is a little cheaper tho....... not sure if any brand has more power gains than the other????? If there is any power gain in the 1st place
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fujita f5 cai is a little cheaper tho....... not sure if any brand has more power gains than the other????? If there is any power gain in the 1st place
No power gains on the LNF , very slight on the NA CAI. One of the Fujita kits reputedly resulted in a slight drop in power.
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completely agree, gotta pay to play. As I mentioned I will eventually have ALL Dejon products so I wasn't talking bad about them or anything at all!

Right now our redline is a DD so until its more of a garage queen I can't bring myself to drop tons of cash on her right now.
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I am also considering installing a CAI on my Redline. If I do, it will be the GMPP just to stay with my warranty. My primary goal for the install is to clean up the engine compartment and add a little bling. I don't really care if it adds HP, but I do not want to loose anything.

I have read many posts. Some say it adds, some say it doesn't. Those that say it doesn't add HP seem to be talking about peak HP. Take a look at the HP increase on the attached chart down at 2500 rpm. Does anyone feel a difference down in the low RPM range. I would think this would make a difference in the way the car would feel for day to day driving. I realize this is a Fugita chart, but I would think this effect would be on the other CAI brands also.
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well of course NOTHING adds any power on an untuned engine (worth repeating for those without a tune that seem to like to delude themselves into believing all the manufacturer claims to the contrary).

In your case, with the GMPP tune, I don't think there is any bump either. I run the GMPP CAI and tune and noticed zero increase in performance. It just increases noise, and as you noted, cleans up the engine bay appearance - that's why I did it, and to head off the stupidly weak plastic tit on the stock intake that frequently cracks.

In regard to your dyno graph, if you were running out of breathing capacity, one would think that it would be up toward maximum RPM, not down low where it was hardly started sucking seriously. I've seen all sorts of made up graphs for stupendous increases. all of them BS. Don't know if the one you posted is another one or not. At least they created a graph instead of just claiming an increase.....
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well of course NOTHING adds any power on an untuned engine (worth repeating for those without a tune that seem to like to delude themselves into believing all the manufacturer claims to the contrary).

In your case, with the GMPP tune, I don't think there is any bump either. I run the GMPP CAI and tune and noticed zero increase in performance. It just increases noise, and as you noted, cleans up the engine bay appearance - that's why I did it, and to head off the stupidly weak plastic tit on the stock intake that frequently cracks.

In regard to your dyno graph, if you were running out of breathing capacity, one would think that it would be up toward maximum RPM, not down low where it was hardly started sucking seriously. I've seen all sorts of made up graphs for stupendous increases. all of them BS. Don't know if the one you posted is another one or not. At least they created a graph instead of just claiming an increase.....
Bill - Don't know if any other members have notice that many and I mean many of your post here and on the Solstice forum. You keep claiming that the CAI produces absolutely 0 HP and that it just adds more noise.
The web-sites that sell these CAI say that they do increase 1 to 2 HP. I know we can't believe everything they say or sell will increase performance, but they all seem to claim an increase.
Can you show us any proof of your opinion that the CAI produces 0 HP?
You also say, you don't feel any increase in HP after installing your CAI on your car. Are you able to tell and feel a 1 HP gain?
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Nope, no one's butt dyno can tell small power changes, just large ones.

Most of the results from sellers involve pre-learn down figures on non-tuned engines.

See
Educate Me On This Option - Pontiac Solstice Forum

and from a GM engineer:
Which cold air intake is the best? - Pontiac Solstice Forum
another
Cold Air Intake By Gm Performace Div> - Pontiac Solstice Forum

RPI is mentioned on the Sky forum as having dynoed several intakes and finding that they reduced power on the LNF cars, buT haven't had a chance to chase that down.


Jeb has also noted no increase up to his level (390 whp, last time I saw him comment on it).

If you have any dyno results from anyoen not marketing these things, maybe you could post them. Obviously they would be less suspect. I believe the dyno results from NA owners which do show modest increases on their cars from using a CAI.

DDM was going to post material at one point in this thread
anyone using the new DDM Works LNF intake? - Pontiac Solstice Forum
but never did get around to it. Has anyone seen a post from them on this topic in any other place?

We need two things:

1 - air flow measurements to see just what after market CAIs will do

2 - dyno runs before and after to show what, if any change there is by using a higher capacity filter/intake than stock.
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