Saturn Motorsports releases Sky Redline 2.0L Performance Tuned ECM

[Wes Carter]

"New Release" Saturn Motorsports is proud to release the Sky Redline and Solstice GXP 2.0L performance tuned ECM. This is a replacement ECM, pull out the stock and put in the new and your ready to go. Performance ECM has proven to virtually eliminate turbo lag and increase horse power and torque throughout the power band. Each tune has been calibrated for performance part additions.

Tune 1: Stock Sky Redline No-bolt on Engine
Modifications.

Tune 2: Intake System and/or Big-Bore
Throttle Body.

Tune 3: Intake System and/or Big-Bore
Throttle Body and/or Cat-back Exhaust System
and/or Larger Volume Intercooler Kits.

Sky Redline performance tuned ECM have shown an estimated 12% increase in wheel horse power and 15% increase in torque.

*Note: Original purchaser of any Sky Redline ECM tune is entitled to free updates for life. Purchaser may also return factory ECM for a $400.00 refundable core charge reimbursment.

Saturn Motorsports is taking pre-order so contact your local Saturn retailer or give us a call. ECM's will start shipping late next week.

Saturn Motorsports
www.saturnmotorsports.com
800-696-0499

[snaponbob]

1) You may want to post this in the Redline or Performance forums.
2) Whose tune is this?
3) Are there before/after dyno runs to back up the numbers?
4) Can you post shots of the tunes?
5) Can the tune be "tweaked"?
6) Have the rev limits been increased?
7) When installed, will the new ECM immediately run the car, or does someone have to activate it?

In other words, what are the details? The reason I am asking is that BSR is out with there tune, and it is a software package rather than an ecm replacement, and for about the same price point.

[SKYRCKT]

Originally Posted by snaponbob

1) You may want to post this in the Redline or Performance forums.
2) Whose tune is this?
3) Are there before/after dyno runs to back up the numbers?
4) Can you post shots of the tunes?
5) Can the tune be "tweaked"?
6) Have the rev limits been increased?
7) When installed, will the new ECM immediately run the car, or does someone have to activate it?

In other words, what are the details? The reason I am asking is that BSR is out with there tune, and it is a software package rather than an ecm replacement, and for about the same price point.

Ditto! It sounds good but I need more info before I break out the wallet

[YellowSky]

more info WOULD be nice!

[Wes Carter]

Sorry guys! The dyno sheet was posted on the Solstice forum. I have one in a customer’s vehicle and he is just thrilled with the performance. I can strongly say that the tune comes from a very recognized company. Great power and no long term problems. The new ECM once installed will need to have a crank relearn. This is a very easy task. We have no control over factory warranty, and we always suggest you consult your local retailer before purchasing or installing performance parts.

I see some confusion regarding Saturn Motorsports. Saturn Motorsports is not affiliated with Saturn or GM. Do to our established reputation and customer service we do have a great relationship with Saturn retailers across the US and Canada. We have been specializing in Saturn since 1998 and back our products 100%.

Saturn Motorsports
www.saturnmotorsports.com
800-696-0499

[JoeBIII]

Originally Posted by Wes Carter

Sorry guys! The dyno sheet was posted on the Solstice forum. I have one in a customer’s vehicle and he is just thrilled with the performance. I can strongly say that the tune comes from a very recognized company. Great power and no long term problems. The new ECM once installed will need to have a crank relearn. This is a very easy task. We have no control over factory warranty, and we always suggest you consult your local retailer before purchasing or installing performance parts.

I see some confusion regarding Saturn Motorsports. Saturn Motorsports is not affiliated with Saturn or GM. Do to our established reputation and customer service we do have a great relationship with Saturn retailers across the US and Canada. We have been specializing in Saturn since 1998 and back our products 100%.

Saturn Motorsports
www.saturnmotorsports.com
800-696-0499

There is a Saturn dealership located in Jax identified to be a Saturn Motorsports dealer. They informed me that if anything from SaturnMotorsports is purchased/installed by them it will not void warranty. No experience with that yet, but it sounds good.

[lil goat]

OK I have the tune 3 installed, I don't have a before dyno sheet, but most were seeing around 216 HP. The rev limiter is raised 300rpm. The tuner is a really great guy been doing this a long time, did 2 trucks for me before this one. Can you tweak the tune NO! He will retune to adjust for mods for life. How is this price close to the BSR, at $1300 it's $895 with $400 refunded when you return the core, or $495, still a lot less if you keep the core. The car will start but will need a crank relearn after installation, dealer can do this. I sent my ECM in so I didn't have to do this. Here is the Dyno sheet from my car about 2 weeks ago. Before the intercooler, that gets installed this weekend.
[IMG][/IMG] I have been told the Dyno Dynamics Dyno's tend to show lower numbers than Dynojets so your numbers may vary.

[sky in pdx]

I was told that any problems caused by or related to the new ECM would NOT be covered.

[lil goat]

If you are concerned about it don't take the chance, pretty simple to me. No dealer I know of can tell if an ECM has been modified, they can however overwrite it which is what they do if they suspect a problem, then there would be no evidence. The burden of proof is on them to prove it caused the failure if they know it's modified, DON"T TELL THEM. The rules are set by the Feds not by GM. They can refuse to warranty the ECM but not the transmission, or the power windows or the top, or anything else not related to the ECM. Or buy the tuned ECM keep the original core and swap it when you take it in for service, it takes maybe 2 minutes to swap it.

[mbeardsley]

Here's another thing to think about.

If you go in for warrantee work on the drivetrain and the dealer asks you if you have modified the ECM, and you say No, you are in dangerous territory. You are actually guilty of Fraud at that point.

Yes, maybe the chances that they will catch you are small, but if they do, you are in for a world of trouble.

Just sayin'.

[lil goat]

I have been in for service many times, I have never been asked. I wouldn't lie but don't expect to ever be asked and I won't volunteer the information. But you know what for the improvment I have gotten I will take the chance, been running a tune by the same tuner in my GMC truck for 4 years without an issue.

[BlackSkyPilot]

Originally Posted by JoeBIII

There is a Saturn dealership located in Jax identified to be a Saturn Motorsports dealer. They informed me that if anything from SaturnMotorsports is purchased/installed by them it will not void warranty. No experience with that yet, but it sounds good.

Just curious which one. My RL is coming from the Avenues.

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by lil goat

OK I have the tune 3 installed, I don't have a before dyno sheet, but most were seeing around 216 HP. The rev limiter is raised 300rpm. The tuner is a really great guy been doing this a long time, did 2 trucks for me before this one. Can you tweak the tune NO! He will retune to adjust for mods for life. How is this price close to the BSR, at $1300 it's $895 with $400 refunded when you return the core, or $495, still a lot less if you keep the core. The car will start but will need a crank relearn after installation, dealer can do this. I sent my ECM in so I didn't have to do this. Here is the Dyno sheet from my car about 2 weeks ago. Before the intercooler, that gets installed this weekend.
[IMG][/IMG] I have been told the Dyno Dynamics Dyno's tend to show lower numbers than Dynojets so your numbers may vary.

what the hell is a crank relearn Hey Wes, I pmd you on the BSR and got no reply. How do they compare? I would like the numbers for a stock RL with the BSR and the SMS tune done to each if that is feasible

[lil goat]

Stock is about 216 to 219 typically been done many times. Hahn will ship the BSR tune August 22. We will see what turns up after that. Any Dyno is subjective, they are at best a refference. If I had my car done on a Dynojet instead of a Dyno Dynamics it most likely would be near 300 HP at the rear wheel.

[lbsky]

Ok, can anyone actually be specific on what the hell a crank shaft relearn is and why I would want to take my car to the dealor to have this done. Like this is not going to raise any questions at the dealorship. Secondly, dyno test are fine, but can some one put the damn thing on the car and take it to the track and tell us what the before and after runs are Third, yes, putting a new ECM does void your warranty, this is why exchanging the core may save you $400 up front, but if something goes wrong you will not be able to switch it back.

[kwayne]

when I was at dlr yesterday talked w/service mgr about this:
1) crank relearn needs to be done w/ computer-like retiming old distributor engines.
2) IT WILL VOID THE WARRANTY

[ALBERTAGXP]

Originally Posted by lbsky

Ok, can anyone actually be specific on what the hell a crank shaft relearn is and why I would want to take my car to the dealor to have this done.

Crank relearn basically re establishes the engines top dead centre to the ECM, important for both ignition & injector timing. Many independant shops are equipped to do this for you, I use a TECH2 scan tool, have not used any other scan tools that are capable but they may be out there. Hope this helps.

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by kwayne

when I was at dlr yesterday talked w/service mgr about this:
1) crank relearn needs to be done w/ computer-like retiming old distributor engines.
2) IT WILL VOID THE WARRANTY

It seems to me that the ECM tunes still need some bugs worked out of them. BSR has one but have yet to get any real answer as to if it is any good or not. A crank relearn seems to be silly, unless there is no way of programming around this. I purchased a stage 1 kit for my PT turbo I used to have and the only thing I had to do was relearn the auto stick, which you did yourself. The ECM just hooked up and you installed higher flow injectors, it was fairly simple. The good part about it was that mopar told you exactly what the power increase was, and there was no lets try it and see what happens. This should be done before the product hits the market. Voiding a five year 100,000 mile warranty is not very bright, unless you have more money than brains

[lbsky]

Originally Posted by lil goat

If you are concerned about it don't take the chance, pretty simple to me. No dealer I know of can tell if an ECM has been modified, they can however overwrite it which is what they do if they suspect a problem, then there would be no evidence. The burden of proof is on them to prove it caused the failure if they know it's modified, DON"T TELL THEM. The rules are set by the Feds not by GM. They can refuse to warranty the ECM but not the transmission, or the power windows or the top, or anything else not related to the ECM. Or buy the tuned ECM keep the original core and swap it when you take it in for service, it takes maybe 2 minutes to swap it.

if on star can run a diagnostic I would think they should be able to tell if the ECM has been messed with or not. Maybe not though. You are right about not exchanging the core, this would be the only chance you would have if something did go wrong

[lil goat]

You have the option of sending in your ECM for reprogramming I did and no crank relearn, you can do the relearn with the Dashawk. On Star can not read the ECm only codes, the dealership can't even read the ECM, and Yes the ECM retune voids the waranty on the ECM about $400 it does not void the entire warranty, that is Federal Law not up to the Service manager to decide. If this was the case changing the radio would void the waranty, it does void the warranty on THE RADIO. Calling a dealer and asking them is crazy, of course they tell you it voids the warranty they want your money. I used to be a service writter and many try and make you pay for things that are covered and then submit a warranty claim too and get paid twice. Like I said before, it's not for everybody. Why does everybody want me to take my car to the track to prove something to you. I can use a dyno to take my driving skill or more like the lack of it out of the equation, I have never run a 1/4 mile what would I be proving. The Dyno only tells you there was a gain from the mod, the actual number is not important. I have let other GXP owners drive my car, they are getting the tune becuase they liked it. Stop by I will let you drive my car. Thats the only "proof" I offer.