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Old 07-19-2005, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stock Turbo or Aftermarket?

Need some opinions.

Pros & Cons:

buying standard Sky and adding aftermarket turbo kit.

vs.

waiting for the Sky RL.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No dual exhaust

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Old 07-19-2005, 12:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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probably will be many aftermarket dual exhaust kits to choose from.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Need some opinions.

Pros & Cons:

buying standard Sky and adding aftermarket turbo kit.

vs.

waiting for the Sky RL.
Other than the no dual exhaust con, there is also the issue of fit. It maybe difficult depending on engine compartment configuration to add a turbo, a supercharger aftermarket might be easier to add due to not having to reroute the exhaust.

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probably will be many aftermarket dual exhaust kits to choose from.
From what I understand it's not even true "dual exhaust", just a split out of the muffler. Which should be pretty easy to come by on the aftermarket scene.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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From what I understand it's not even true "dual exhaust", just a split out of the muffler. Which should be pretty easy to come by on the aftermarket scene.
hmmm...thats not good...i thought it was a true dual system. On the Sol forum i'm pretty sure I read something to that effect.

Another thing is the engines, I forgot that the stock one is 2.4L & turbo version I think is 2.0 or 2.2L. So an (aftermarket) blown 2.4L may be a whole other ball game.
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I forgot that the stock one is 2.4L & turbo version I think is 2.0 or 2.2L. So an (aftermarket) blown 2.4L may be a whole other ball game.
So true, maybe squeeze more power get us to 60 in under 5.. oh.. what would be so worth it.
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I don't know of any cars in production that have i4 engines and true dual exhausts. Cars like the S2000 and new MX-5 have dual outlet exhaust, which as mentioned are two ports off the muffler.

Also one point everyone seems to be missing between the engines is actually any of the technical details of the engines. Yeah the 2.4L has displacement over the Turbocharged engine, but that's about all. The 2.4L VVT ECOTEC has a very high 10.4:1 CR ratio. Which will more then likely limit you to 6-8psi of boost WITH an intercooler stock. If the Turbocharged ECOTEC is anything like the 2.0L Supercharged engine then the Turbocharged engine will be far superior then the base 2.4L VVT engine. Forged components, lowered CR, various other beefed up parts, etc. You could beef up the 2.4L and drop it's CR too, but you're going to be doing a lot of engine work, and spending a lot of money.
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I don't know of any cars in production that have i4 engines and true dual exhausts. Cars like the S2000 and new MX-5 have dual outlet exhaust, which as mentioned are two ports off the muffler.

Also one point everyone seems to be missing between the engines is actually any of the technical details of the engines. Yeah the 2.4L has displacement over the Turbocharged engine, but that's about all. The 2.4L VVT ECOTEC has a very high 10.4:1 CR ratio. Which will more then likely limit you to 6-8psi of boost WITH an intercooler stock. If the Turbocharged ECOTEC is anything like the 2.0L Supercharged engine then the Turbocharged engine will be far superior then the base 2.4L VVT engine. Forged components, lowered CR, various other beefed up parts, etc. You could beef up the 2.4L and drop it's CR too, but you're going to be doing a lot of engine work, and spending a lot of money.

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I don't know of any cars in production that have i4 engines and true dual exhausts. Cars like the S2000 and new MX-5 have dual outlet exhaust, which as mentioned are two ports off the muffler.

Also one point everyone seems to be missing between the engines is actually any of the technical details of the engines. Yeah the 2.4L has displacement over the Turbocharged engine, but that's about all. The 2.4L VVT ECOTEC has a very high 10.4:1 CR ratio. Which will more then likely limit you to 6-8psi of boost WITH an intercooler stock. If the Turbocharged ECOTEC is anything like the 2.0L Supercharged engine then the Turbocharged engine will be far superior then the base 2.4L VVT engine. Forged components, lowered CR, various other beefed up parts, etc. You could beef up the 2.4L and drop it's CR too, but you're going to be doing a lot of engine work, and spending a lot of money.
If you use higher quality engine components (aka can take more of a beating) you can still get decent boost PSI with a high compression engine. Managing the output Torque then becomes the issue.
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If you use higher quality engine components (aka can take more of a beating) you can still get decent boost PSI with a high compression engine. Managing the output Torque then becomes the issue.
Yes, that is true. But it requires more work then what PaulWall had originaly mentioned of getting just an aftermarket turbocharged kit. With the base engine unless you change the pistons or variosu other componenets to strengthen them and lower the CR, 6-8psi with an intercooler is probably the extent of what you can do on a stock engine.
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Price from GM will be under $4k for turbo model

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Do it yourself as good as GM with original engine will cost over $6K, no warranty.
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Why has nobody suggested upgrading the turbo on the RL?

Now THAT's my kind of mod-think.

And it's probably gonna be in my future.
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Why has nobody suggested upgrading the turbo on the RL?

Now THAT's my kind of mod-think.

And it's probably gonna be in my future.
I said that several time!!

Anyhow... I've made my search and it would be a lot costly to add a Turbo by my-self.... and I rather have a 2.0 or 2.2L turbocharged engine than a 2.4 and not only for the ratio.... but for this GM bible that makes you build an 2.2L Ecotech from stock to 1400HP step by step!

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The stock RL for me with a little tweaking to the computer. I'm betting this motor is going to be heavily detuned from the factory.
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