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More GM Airbag Woes.

Seems like the airbags above the front windows are too sensitive and of course GM isn't paying for repairs.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...ing-the-party/

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Here is the video of the autocross spin out that caused the air bags to deploy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H03g...ature=youtu.be

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This isn't anything new... the CTS-V Wagons had the same issue. It's why you pull the air bag fuse if you are going to autocross.
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This isn't anything new... the CTS-V Wagons had the same issue. It's why you pull the air bag fuse if you are going to autocross.
Or go offroad, apparently. That seems awfully logical, obvious even, but it is so much easier to blame someone else.

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This isn't anything new... the CTS-V Wagons had the same issue. It's why you pull the air bag fuse if you are going to autocross.
Its not possible on the current Camaro.

If you watch the video the airbag should not have deployed.

And the offroad issue was on a slightly bumpy dirt road which is something a normal farmer or rancher would travel.

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Looks like they are repairing it on the trucks
https://jalopnik.com/chevrolet-will-...fro-1830317992

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Looks like they are repairing it on the trucks
https://jalopnik.com/chevrolet-will-...fro-1830317992
Does this mean that they are less evil than they were yesterday?

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No

It means GM is pulling the same crap with Camaro owners that they did with Kappa owners

There is an obvious issue and they are fixing it on one of their vehicles, but forcing owners of a different vehicle to pay for repairs

Thatís exactly what kappa owners ran into with the passenger airbag sensor.
Until Robotech filed with the NHSTA Gm was telling all kappa owners to F-Off.

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Something to keep an eye on and see how it gets handled.


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Unfortunately, at the moment, the local Camaro owner is looking for a lawyer to help him out.

He is going to dump the car because he wants to have a car he can autocross and not have to worry about costing him a random $6500 as there is no fix to prevent a false second deploy of the airbags.

And by no fix, I mean, there is a fix, but GM is refusing to put it in his car and reimburse him.

Pretty sad that a $70,000 Camaro designed for the track can't even be used in AutoCross.

All the hype on this web page amounts to a pile of B.S.
https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...zl1-sports-car
He even has the 1LE Extreme Track Package
and the above video was taken via the
PERFORMANCE DATA RECORDER

GM has all the logged data, from their own data logger and still tells the owner to pound sand when airbags deploy at 19mph, Even though they have acknowledged the issue in a different vehicle that uses the same parts.

I just don't understand how people can be loyal to this company.

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https://jalopnik.com/curtain-airbags...ing-1831869262

I think the top comment thread says everything that needs to be said
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I have the equivilant GMC All Terrain.

I can tell you first hand that the truck is not off road capable even on a begginer trail.

I lead trails at National events, certified trail team leader for Toyota Trail Teams years ago.

This truck is not any where near the vehicle of the Toyota. But the engine is vastly superior, towing capabilities are much greater it seems. I drive as rough a road going home as shown in that video. My curtains have never blown, but I have gotten the truck stuck on near level ground. It is not a off road vehicle. It may be a farm truck, but off road worthy it is not even close.

But the airbags should not have deployed. I am concerned about it because mine is starting to do strange electrical things. Failure to remote start. Radio changing stations as you are driving down the roads. Heater does not work consistently. Mine has 31K on the odometer. End of lease it goes back for sure. No more GM pick ups for me. Glad I still have my 190K FJ Cruiser that will go damned near anywhere. and just keeps on ticken.
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I find this discussion very ...... ironic?

For years there have been complaints, comments, etc about the seeming lack of airbag deployments in Kappa collisions, and how they should be more sensitive because surely people are dying needlessly. Now we are upset that they are too sensitive. I am pleased beyond measure that we have so many collision and safety equipment experts within our ranks.

According to NHTSA, airbags should deploy when the vehicle has a collision that is equivalent to an 8-14 MPH impact with a solid wall. The Camaro was reported going 19 MPH when it hit the pothole, and from the video it stopped very abruptly. Look at the G-meter in the video and watch it spike off the scale as the car stops moving. That was a much bigger hit than it appeared.

I can tell you what happened in that investigation: The airbag SDM was examined and its data recorder was read. The data said that the vehicle came to an abrupt stop while moving sideways at 19 MPH, so the airbag deployed. Since that is exactly what is supposed to happen there is no warranty claim.
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Do you have the report on the truck John? No way the air bag should have deployed on what happened there. I don't know about the Camaro. But I have seen many jeeps and FJ's do things far more dangerous, sliding sideway, tipping on two wheels front and back, have actually almost went over backwards on Escalator at Moab. I have never heard of an air bag deployment with out serious body damage.

I don't know what the computer says, but I can promise you that my truck has done things and went over obstacles so much harder than what happened there.

I did a recovery at Ouary this summer of an FJ the flopped on its side, and yes the roll over was extremely slow, and the air bags went off before the side hit the ground. It is on video somewhere.

I have had mine at full tilt several times, but the Pick up was no where near rolling and supposedly had not body damage to indicate it hit something.

This a pretty tough trail, I have ran it several times, with a nearly stock FJ, Body mount chop and 35 inch tires. Skids of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Gdhku_xAE

I can promise you the Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon are not capable of this under any circumstance. And I have never heard of an air bag being deployed anywhere. And I follow it pretty closely, not the air bag situation but the sport/hobby/activity.
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Do you have the report on the truck John? No way the air bag should have deployed on what happened there. I don't know about the Camaro. ..........
I was commenting on the Camaro incident. The last report I read said that they had agreed to repair the truck, so my guess on that one is that they found something anomalous in the data recorder.

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