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SKY Spy 06-11-2009 12:51 PM

Cat Converter Warr. Extended on some 07' 2.4L SKYs...
 
Here is the GM Notification...
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SPECIAL COVERAGE

SUBJECT: SPECIAL COVERAGE ADJUSTMENT – EXTENDED CATALYTIC CONVERTER WARRANTY COVERAGE
MODELS: 2006-2007 PONTIAC SOLSTICE
2007 SATURN SKY EQUIPPED WITH 2.4L ENGINE (LE5)


CONDITION

Some customers of 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), may comment on illumination of the malfunction indicator lamp (MAL) and/or lack of engine power. This may be caused by failure of the catalytic converter.

SPECIAL COVERAGE ADJUSTMENT

This special coverage covers the condition described above for a period of 10 years or 120,000 miles (193,000 km), whichever occurs first, from the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, regardless of ownership. Dealers/retailers are to replace the catalytic converter. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer. Customers should not be charged for performing a system check when it is determined that the catalytic converter is not the cause of the customer complaint.

VEHICLES INVOLVED

Involved are certain 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), and built within the following VIN breakpoints:

2006 Pontiac Solstice from 6Y000001 to 6Y120195
2007 Pontiac Solstice from 7Y103375 to 7Y142882
2007 Saturn SKY from 7Y100001 to 7Y142739

Here is the letter that GM will send to those within the VIN breakdown:
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Dear GM Customer:

As the owner of a 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice or a 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicle equipped with a 2.4L engine, your satisfaction with our product is very important to us.

This letter is intended to make you aware that some 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine, may have a condition where the malfunction indicator lamp illuminates, and/or there is a lack of engine power. This may be
caused by failure of the catalytic converter.

Do not take your vehicle to your GM dealer/retailer as a result of this letter unless you believe that your vehicle has the condition as described above.

What We Have Done:
General Motors is providing owners with additional protection for the catalytic converter. If this condition occurs on your 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice or 2007 model year Saturn SKY within 10 years of the date your vehicle was originally placed in service or 120,000 miles (193,000 km), whichever occurs first, the condition will be repaired for you at no charge. Diagnosis or repair for conditions other than the condition described above is not covered under this special coverage program.

What You Should Do:
Repairs and adjustments qualifying under this special coverage must be
performed by a General Motors dealer/retailer. If you believe your vehicle has the condition covered by this special coverage, you may want to contact your GM dealer/retailer to find out how long they will need to have your vehicle so that you may schedule the appointment at a time that is convenient for you. This will also allow your dealer/retailer to order parts if they are not already in stock. Keep this letter with your other important glove box literature for future reference.

Reimbursement:
The enclosed form explains what reimbursement is available and how to
request reimbursement if you have paid for repairs for the special coverage condition. Your request for reimbursement, including the information and documents mentioned on the enclosed form, must be received by GM by June 30, 2010.

If you have any questions or need any assistance to better understand related repairs, please contact your dealer/retailer. If you have questions related to a potential reimbursement, please contact the appropriate Customer Assistance Center at the telephone number listed below.

Pontiac 1-800-620-7668
Saturn 1-800-972-8876
Guam 1-671-648-8450
Puerto Rico – English 1-800-496-9992
Puerto Rico – Español 1-800-496-9993
Virgin Islands 1-800-496-9994

We are sorry for any inconvenience you may experience; however we have taken this action in the interest of your continued satisfaction with our products.

General Motors Corporation
There you go...

BA...

EndiSky 06-11-2009 02:10 PM

That is good info/ bad info... hope mine doesn't go (if I don't upgrade first) but glad to know it will be covered!

GaryH 06-11-2009 08:42 PM

Mine has been replaced once. The extra coverage is nice. Thanks for the info.

marlboromike 06-12-2009 12:10 AM

YIKES! my Vin# is there...but my car has never let me down from day 1...I know i should never have said that...but it is the perfect running machine. Of course, it has less than 17K miles..

Thanks for the info BA

Skip 06-12-2009 01:54 AM

Mine was replaced last year just before I went to the third annual BBQ at Aubreys home...Mike of Marlboro, your time will come when your cat is out of the bag....Skip....:):D:)

ty's_sky 11-10-2009 12:45 PM

Yeah i just got mine replaced two months ago. It started out i was getting great MPG then i threw an engine light. Took it in and they put a new one in. Only took about 2 hours. So all and all i only got 37,000 miles on the original CAT.

pm01862 11-11-2009 10:51 PM

Just got mine replaced today. 2007 with only 13000 miles on it. Saturn of Lowell installed a new cat in about an hour. I've heard of others who have had issues with warranty work but my dealership was great.

MataguaySky 11-11-2009 11:44 PM

Interesting
 
I have an 08 and they replaced my cat a couple of months ago at 20,000 miles.

PieintheSky 01-10-2010 08:31 AM

Mine was replaced about two months ago, about 24000mi.

cincybeta988 03-05-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryH (Post 439163)
Mine has been replaced once. The extra coverage is nice. Thanks for the info.

08 Carbon Flash
FIAMM HORN
These items are new to me- please explain.. I have a 2007 Sky> phony hood vent on passenger side melted to the hood; only 15k miles on it & just found out about the cat issue><> am wondering about symptoms leading up to the cat failure. I would like a call if you do not mind--I'm not good on computers--cell=203-247-4015 Thanks, Bob

jtatooz 03-27-2011 03:15 AM

This is really scary to me. I purchased a Redline in September last year...saw the 'sportier' model and returned the first one and now have the one w/ the spoiler, 'saddle' bag and bug screen between the seat backs.
When I bought it in 2010, it had 9k. It now has just over 13k. It seems to lag a pinch on take-off and I HATE that when I top out in 2nd gear it does a nose dive and the power is gone but I have not yet had any lights come on. The carfax didn't say anything about it but then again, it didn't say anything about it being wrecked and all the suspension parts being replaced on the front passenger side either.
Thanks for this info, I will keep an eye on my dash lights.
I have just joined this site and have already learned a few things. I'm going to keep reading!

Lightfoot 06-01-2011 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jtatooz (Post 524511)
This is really scary to me. I purchased a Redline in September last year...

If you have a Redline, you have the 2.0 turbo engine, and this notice doesn't apply.

"2007 SATURN SKY EQUIPPED WITH 2.4L ENGINE"

You mention that you bought a "sportier" model with a spoiler, but describe turbo lag, so I assume it too has the 2.0 Turbo Ecotech engine. The 2.4L engine is a naturally aspirated (NA) engine.

smartin 06-03-2011 11:05 AM

I think that I am getting mine replaced under the 8 year/80,000 mile warranty that already comes on the cat. I have no reduction in power. I have thrown a code. I can hear something is not right with my exhaust. Stay tuned... :lol:

abill4u2c 04-10-2015 07:06 PM

Thanks for the info. 4-10-15
I have a 2007 Sky with 2.4L with the engine light on and motor not producing the power or RPM's. I have about 41K miles on it.
I had the code reset at a parts store, but the light came back on. I was told it was an 02 sensor (the one after the catalytic converter). I took it to a different parts store and was told the same thing. Both places mention getting a bottle of CATACLEAN; that it would probably fix my problem. I spent about $25.00 for 1 bottle and followed directions; it made no difference with the car.
After reading from this Forum.
I called Saturn 1-800-972-8876 and gave them my information. I had them connect me with with a dealership while all of us were on the phone. I have an appointment to take it next week and the dealership will provide me with a loaner at no charge for the estimated 3 days to replace the catalytic converter. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer. Customers should not be charged for performing a system check when it is determined that the catalytic converter is not the cause of the customer complaint.
I will provide any information to share and feel free to contact me if anyone has any questions on my experience on this problem. The original information was very helpful for me and happy that I joined this Forum. I will know more by the end of next week.

abill4u2c 05-25-2015 03:16 PM

This recall made all the difference as it now runs like it should. The dealership gave me a new vehicle to use at no cost. Before taking it in repairs, it felt like it was running on 2 cylinders as far as power and bad gas mileage. Mopeds were faster as it was a struggle to keep up with traffic. GM should have contacted every vehicle as this is also a safety hazard. I am glad I saw this information here.

markzabin 06-02-2015 08:50 PM

Anyone have the CEL code for this? Would be nice to check it at home first before bringing it in for work that might not apply.

marlboromike 06-02-2015 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by markzabin (Post 903505)
Anyone have the CEL code for this? Would be nice to check it at home first before bringing it in for work that might not apply.

Check your Vin# to see if u r eligible first.

reedred 06-03-2015 12:13 PM

It was a longtime ago, but in my case I believe it was a bunch of P0300, and a few P0302 (or 1,3, or 4).

44thSKY 08-22-2015 12:35 PM

CAT warranty expiration
 
In my case I just have about 5 months left on the 10 year limit occurring first.

My VIN is double digit and the vehicle was placed in service on 1/19/2006, a very early SKY.

This brings me to the question about the original posting of the CAT warranty issue, and the listing of the VIN sequence as:
VEHICLES INVOLVED

Involved are certain 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), and built within the following VIN breakpoints:

2006 Pontiac Solstice from 6Y000001 to 6Y120195
2007 Pontiac Solstice from 7Y103375 to 7Y142882
2007 Saturn SKY from 7Y100001 to 7Y142739

Past information about the TOTAL number of Saturn SKY's built has always been in the area of 34,415 units. So with the number sequence going up to 42,739 units, HOW WERE THEY ACTUALLY NUMBERING THE UNITS IN THE VIN?

Does anyone have insight about the process used to establish the vehicle VIN numbers? Why would we see a VIN number that exceeds the number of units built in all three years of production (if the number built as quoted is accurate)?
:banghead:

DaveOC 08-22-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950434)
In my case I just have about 5 months left on the 10 year limit occurring first.

My VIN is double digit and the vehicle was placed in service on 1/19/2006, a very early SKY.

This brings me to the question about the original posting of the CAT warranty issue, and the listing of the VIN sequence as:
VEHICLES INVOLVED

Involved are certain 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), and built within the following VIN breakpoints:

2006 Pontiac Solstice from 6Y000001 to 6Y120195
2007 Pontiac Solstice from 7Y103375 to 7Y142882
2007 Saturn SKY from 7Y100001 to 7Y142739

Past information about the TOTAL number of Saturn SKY's built has always been in the area of 34,415 units. So with the number sequence going up to 42,739 units, HOW WERE THEY ACTUALLY NUMBERING THE UNITS IN THE VIN?

Does anyone have insight about the process used to establish the vehicle VIN numbers? Why would we see a VIN number that exceeds the number of units built in all three years of production (if the number built as quoted is accurate)?
:banghead:

Once the Model Year 2007 Solstices joined the mix, the VINS were intermixed between the Solstices and the Skys. Think of the last eight of the VIN as being the total of Kappas built during the model year.

Is that sufficient or do I need to expand on it?

:banghead:

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skersfan 08-22-2015 01:46 PM

According to some of the old experts, they were built out of sequence, some 2010 built while the 2009 were still on the assembly line. Numbering has always been some what of a mystery I think.

DaveOC 08-22-2015 02:38 PM

Cars do NOT come off the line in VIN# sequence. There are gaps where cars have been pulled off the line (bust out) and then places where those cars are reinserted into the line (bust in).

There are other gaps where a car has not started down the line even though a VIN# has already been assigned, usually due to missing parts for that particular build, that car will go down the line out of sequence when the parts become available.

For an example, the 30 2010 pre-production Solstices, Skys and GTs were intermixed with the 2009 Solstice Coupe production and regular convertible production. Markkk, one of the production guys, detailed this in a message, http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/1105037-post1.html , pay attention to the VIN#s, (he has 3 Skys accounted for as Solstices in his notes).

Clear as mud?

:banghead:

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44thSKY 08-22-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 950450)
Once the Model Year 2007 Solstices joined the mix, the VINS were intermixed between the Solstices and the Skys. Think of the last eight of the VIN as being the total of Kappas built during the model year.

Is that sufficient or do I need to expand on it?

:banghead:

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Hi DaveOC, you might have meant to say "the last six of the VIN". The number '7' is the year, and the letter 'Y' represents the PLANT of manufacture, WILLINGTON.

In your reference to 'mixing the Solstice and SKY VIN's as the units came off the line', I had heard that too. So if that is what happened, then when the SKY production started, VIN numbers for both cars must have started from '0'. This would explain how SKY VIN's exceed the reported total overall production number.

My SKY is #44 and came off the line on 12/16/2005.

I'll add, I have searched all 50 of the SKY's initial production and printed out the record on every one of those units. There are five SKY units missing in the first 44 accounted for that preceed my VIN number (8-11-25-39-42). Could this mean those VIN's were 2007 Solstice production? Meaning that in initial SKY production, VIN numbers started from zero (0) again for Solstice. and missing numbers were for Solstice. ??maybe?? A Solstice owner with VIN 00008, could be a misnomer as to production number.

Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.

DaveOC 08-22-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950530)
Hi DaveOC, you might have meant to say "the last six of the VIN". The number '7' is the year, and the letter 'Y' represents the PLANT of manufacture, WILLINGTON.

In your reference to 'mixing the Solstice and SKY VIN's as the units came off the line', I had heard that too. So if that is what happened, then when the SKY production started, VIN numbers for both cars must have started from '0'. This would explain how SKY VIN's exceed the reported total overall production number.

My SKY is #44 and came off the line on 12/16/2005.

I'll add, I have searched all 50 of the SKY's initial production and printed out the record on every one of those units. There are five SKY units missing in the first 44 accounted for that preceed my VIN number (8-11-25-39-42). Could this mean those VIN's were 2007 Solstice production? Meaning that in initial SKY production, VIN numbers started from zero (0) again for Solstice. and missing numbers were for Solstice. ??maybe?? A Solstice owner with VIN 00008, could be a misnomer as to production number.

Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.

There is a reason I used Last 8.

Solstice Production for the 06 model year ended sometime in June, 2006. At that time, the last 8 of the VIN#s changed for the Solstices from 6Y1xxxxx to 7Y1xxxxx.

Sky production started in December, 2005 as an 2007 Model Year Vehicle with VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx.

From December, 2005, to the Solstice Model Year Changeover in June, 2006, Solstice VINs 6Y1xxxxx and Sky VINs 7Y1xxxxx were intermixed coming off the line.

After the model year changeover, both the Solstices and Skys were using the VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx

The only vehicles with a VIN ending in 6Y0xxxxx were the "First 1000" Pontiac Solstice promotion cars. The very first Solstice pre-production VINs ended in 6Y100001 through approx 6Y100700 (approximately), then came 6Y000001 through 6Y001000, then the regular sequence resumed with 6Y100701 (approximately). I say approximately because no one was ever quite sure where that break occurred, or at least it has never been documented.

Each model years sequence started with a "1" following the "Y".

DaveOC 08-22-2015 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950530)
Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.

For what it is worth, VICTORY RED is the exact same paint as CHILI PEPPER RED, and also exactly the same as the Solstice AGGRESSIVE RED.

Those missing MY07 VINs were probably 2007 Pre-production Solstices.

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44thSKY 08-22-2015 07:57 PM

DaveOC, unless I miss my guess, I'd say you came out of the factory. In any event, you have provided more about the VIN numbering process than I have ever learned anywhere else.

I've copied your replies, and will email them to myself to retain for future reference. Thanks for sharing.

DaveOC 08-22-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950658)
DaveOC, unless I miss my guess, I'd say you came out of the factory. In any event, you have provided more about the VIN numbering process than I have ever learned anywhere else.

I've copied your replies, and will email them to myself to retain for future reference. Thanks for sharing.

No factory for me, just a retired, classically trained attorney, who enjoyed being a software engineer and self-employed computer and network support person, along with several other specialties.

There were several of us on the Solstice side, and here too, that noodled out what was going on with the VIN numbers during the 2005-2007 time frame. It helped that there were plant people that frequented the forums back then also.

Enjoy your wheels!

:dthumbs:

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44thSKY 08-22-2015 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 950562)
Dave -
2006 Solstice NA #000741

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Dave, for what it's worth, in your sign-off at the bottom of your postings, could I assume that you meant to make that number '100741' OR are you meaning as you wrote: '000741'?

In re-reading where you use 0xxxxx, I don't completely understand, so clarification here will help me from an error in the future. If you stand with your number, that has to mean you own a PROMOTION Solstice unit. Right? OR, if it is '100741', then maybe you have the 41'st Solstice unit of the regular production vehicle! To ask the question a different way, do you own a PROMOTION VEHICLE or is it a REGULAR PRODUCTION VEHICLE? ?????

Did Pontiac sell the PROMOTION vehicles to the public or were they supposed to be destroyed? A longtime experienced SKY&Solstice owner has told me in the past that Saturn was to have destroyed the first 50 SKY units. I don't have any idea if this is true or not. In any event, my #44 unit must have escaped the destiny somehow.

Dave, I now certainly have a better understanding of the in's and out's of the VIN assignments of the Kappa vehicles. Thanks.

DaveOC 08-22-2015 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950690)
Dave, for what it's worth, in your sign-off at the bottom of your postings, could I assume that you meant to make that number '100741' OR are you meaning as you wrote: '000741'?

I own #741 of the "First 1000" Solstice promotion, that was tied in with the Apprentice television show.

On April 15, 2005, preregistered future owners tried to obtain a 1st 1000 Solstice. I got one. All 1000 were sold in 41 minutes. These were the cars with the VINs ending in 6Y000001 through 6Y001000.

As an aside, there were many issues with the computers at the dealerships. Two in particular were problematic. People living in areas of the country with ZIP codes starting with 0 were excluded from the promotion, and Canadian dealers were also locked out. The VINs # 6Y100700 through 6Y101000 were used to satisfy some of the 0-ZIPpers and the canadians, and then regular production started around 6Y101001 or thereabouts.

There was a lot of confusion with all of this, which resulted in a LOT of discussion here and on the Solsticeforum.com. When you have plenty of time, do some searching for 0-Zip, First 1000, and VIN number both here and on solsticeforum and prepare to be really confused.

There are a lot of people out there that seem to need to know where in the production spectrum their car was, and what number their car was. Most of us at the time were just excited to get our cars after waiting since the car shows in 2002 to get our little roadsters.

6Y000741 was built on August 26, 2005, and I took delivery on October 3, 2005. In between those dates it spent time sitting at Wilmington, DE plant, Lordstown, OH plant, and Janesville, WI plant before boarding a truck for the final trip to my dealer in the Milwaukee, WI area.

:cool:

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marlboromike 08-22-2015 10:42 PM

Did u attend the party for the first 1000 owners?

DaveOC 08-22-2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by marlboromike (Post 950722)
Did u attend the party for the first 1000 owners?

I missed the show at the Ren Center if that's what you mean. I received my invite by email the day before the event, the high speed ferry across Lake Michigan was sold out both ways, and it would have taken too long to drive around the Chicago/Bottom of the Lake route, so I decided not to go. My loss.

:willy:

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marlboromike 08-22-2015 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 950730)
I missed the show at the Ren Center if that's what you mean. I received my invite by email the day before the event, the high speed ferry across Lake Michigan was sold out both ways, and it would have taken too long to drive around the Chicago/Bottom of the Lake route, so I decided not to go. My loss.

:willy:

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Too bad. I heard it was a terrific event. I always wanted my Vin# to be under 1000 but alas, it was not meant to be. And I ordered my car Jan 2, 2006. The first day it came on the market...but I believe u could have pre-ordered it at the auto shows. Cannot recall.

DaveOC 08-22-2015 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by marlboromike (Post 950738)
Too bad. I heard it was a terrific event. I always wanted my Vin# to be under 1000 but alas, it was not meant to be. And I ordered my car Jan 2, 2006. The first day it came on the market...but I believe u could have pre-ordered it at the auto shows. Cannot recall.

It was a good time, GM threw a nice event. I know several people that were there, and the pictures they posted were great. If I had known there were going to be Solstices to drive there, maybe I would have gone.

The first real Sky I saw was in Ohio when we all got together for the First SOS cruise in late March of 2006. One of the locals showed up in a red Sky for dinner on Friday night, and then Steve Padilla drove down from Milford for the Saturday events.

44thSKY 08-23-2015 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marlboromike (Post 950738)
Too bad. I heard it was a terrific event. I always wanted my Vin# to be under 1000 but alas, it was not meant to be. And I ordered my car Jan 2, 2006. The first day it came on the market...but I believe u could have pre-ordered it at the auto shows. Cannot recall.

Some background I've learned on my SKY's VIN being so low. The car was originally used by A GM executive and then put into the GM PEP program. Just recently I learned the meaning of the GM PEP program from a former GM employee. As I understood his explanation, the executive drives the car for approximately 3,000 miles then the car goes into the PEP program. In the PEP program, at least in this occasion, an employee purchased the car and continued to drive the car until some 8,600 miles was reached and then sold it to the second registered owner, from whom I purchased the car in Arizona with 20,000 miles. From a FAX cover sheet in the vehicle, I was able to identify and make contact with that GM PEP owner.

I feel fortunate to have such a low VIN # vehicle, and to date have not heard of any of the first 100 car's whereabouts. To my knowledge, this website has never produced any of these owners either. Even though my SKY's vanity plate says; 44THSKY ..... I don't think a lot of people 'get it'.

marlboromike 08-23-2015 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950778)
Some background I've learned on my SKY's VIN being so low. The car was originally used by A GM executive and then put into the GM PEP program. Just recently I learned the meaning of the GM PEP program from a former GM employee. As I understood his explanation, the executive drives the car for approximately 3,000 miles then the car goes into the PEP program. In the PEP program, at least in this occasion, an employee purchased the car and continued to drive the car until some 8,600 miles was reached and then sold it to the second registered owner, from whom I purchased the car in Arizona with 20,000 miles. From a FAX cover sheet in the vehicle, I was able to identify and make contact with that GM PEP owner.

I feel fortunate to have such a low VIN # vehicle, and to date have not heard of any of the first 100 car's whereabouts. To my knowledge, this website has never produced any of these owners either. Even though my SKY's vanity plate says; 44THSKY ..... I don't think a lot of people 'get it'.

We have talked before...and few realize that u have the RAREST car on this forum...and with all the documentation. Of couse I am another 44 :lol:

Robotech 08-24-2015 03:24 PM

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I thought that the first few thousand Sky's that were built in 07 that you could tell from their VIN approximately where in the line they came off. I do remember this being very confusing though in the early days.

marlboromike 08-24-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob the Elder (Post 951250)
Actually not true. While it is a very rare STOCK car, there are cars that are truely unique on the forum. :D

Show me a SKY that u know of that has a build date of December 2005...I said 2005. This one has. No one on THIS FORUM has those bragging rights.

marlboromike 08-24-2015 06:54 PM

He even has the paper work from the exec who drove and tested this car...now that is amazing. And respectively speaking, your DAD was wrong. I have a first year build as u know. Still ticking without problems...except that darn air bag that went sour. UGH! But I blame my significant other...she always wanted to lean back and stick her legs out of the car...that will never happen again. She caused it to break. She thinks she is a teen again in this car.

DaveOC 08-24-2015 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob the Elder (Post 951258)
That is because they were phased into ongoing production on the Pontiac line so Saturn was basically subcontracting Pontiac to build the cars for them. While that worked out well for them and for us, it lead to a certain amount of chaos in the numbering and build sequence.

Wilmington was a GM plant, not a Pontiac plant.

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marlboromike 08-24-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 951346)
Wilmington was a GM plant, not a Pontiac plant.

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Not to split hairs (not)...we realize that GM is the company name...but if I recall when we visited the plant, they had a 40s Pontiac in their entrance...they gave us a history of the plant itself but it is so long ago.

Logically speaking...it probably was a Pontiac plant...when they started the Kappa platform...not the production of the car but the tooling, they probably were not thinking Saturn Brand for our car. You recall what the concept Saturn was in 2002...nothing close to what the actual production car was.

Saturn was looking for a Flagship and it turned out to be the Kappa platform, via Pontiac Solstice. Remember this is my logic only.

DaveOC 08-25-2015 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by marlboromike (Post 951514)
Not to split hairs (not)...we realize that GM is the company name...but if I recall when we visited the plant, they had a 40s Pontiac in their entrance...they gave us a history of the plant itself but it is so long ago.

OK, back in the dark ages, pre-1965, Wilmington was a Buick-Oldsmobile-Pontiac Assembly Division plant.

:)

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44thSKY 08-25-2015 12:19 PM

An early SKY build
 
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As this early build subject has been a part of this thread of late, I would like to post for the record a couple of photos of our early build SKY.

Without being too redundant, research has shown SKY #100044 was born on 12/16/2005 and was put in service by a GM executive on 1/19/2006. The PEP program got the car and a GM engineer (known to me) drove the car through 8600+ miles, and then sold it to a Wisconsin individual who then moved to Arizona. I purchased the car from that Arizona individual in Nov 2011.

The car had 20K miles when I purchased it, and it now has just under 32K miles. Due to age of the tires and battery, both have been changed. As an LE5, a Redline exhaust was added plus a 1 inch, bolt on, receiver hitch 'so my wife can bring her purse' along. There are no bumps, blems or scrapes on the car. The paint is perfect. We drive it about every two weeks. It sits in the garage covered about 90% of the time. The passenger air bag has the lamp issue, but my GM Saturn certified auto shop tells me the air bag is in working order.

It drives like a new car and gets just tons of attention. We will never part with it!

Robotech 08-25-2015 02:20 PM

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Looks fantastic Skybus.

44thSKY 08-28-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 950554)
There is a reason I used Last 8.

Solstice Production for the 06 model year ended sometime in June, 2006. At that time, the last 8 of the VIN#s changed for the Solstices from 6Y1xxxxx to 7Y1xxxxx.

Sky production started in December, 2005 as an 2007 Model Year Vehicle with VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx.

From December, 2005, to the Solstice Model Year Changeover in June, 2006, Solstice VINs 6Y1xxxxx and Sky VINs 7Y1xxxxx were intermixed coming off the line.

After the model year changeover, both the Solstices and Skys were using the VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx

The only vehicles with a VIN ending in 6Y0xxxxx were the "First 1000" Pontiac Solstice promotion cars. The very first Solstice pre-production VINs ended in 6Y100001 through approx 6Y100700 (approximately), then came 6Y000001 through 6Y001000, then the regular sequence resumed with 6Y100701 (approximately). I say approximately because no one was ever quite sure where that break occurred, or at least it has never been documented.

Each model years sequence started with a "1" following the "Y".

Just wanted to post further discussion to the VIN number process that supports what DaveOC has been sharing, and confirm that DaveOC has it exactly correct as I see it.

There is another post this morning referencing a 'first 1000' Solstice for sale. I followed up on that sale listing and found an apparently really good Solstice which is #000144 of all Kappa's manufactured (I believe this is a fact).

At $8500 asking with 33,000 miles and photos looking pretty good, someone may find a nice car.

2006 pontiac solstice

The sales rep seemed very strong on their need to sell the car before winter, as they are located some 130 miles North of Madison, WI.

44thSKY 08-28-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 950530)
In reference to 'mixing the Solstice and SKY VIN's as the units came off the line', I had heard that too. So if that is what happened, then when the SKY production started, VIN numbers for both cars must have started from '0'. This would explain how SKY VIN's exceed the reported total overall production number.

I'll add, I have searched all 50 of the SKY's initial production and printed out the record on every one of those units. There are five SKY units missing in the first 44 accounted for that preceed my VIN number (8-11-25-39-42). Could this mean those VIN's were 2007 Solstice production? Meaning that in initial SKY production, VIN numbers started from zero (0) again for Solstice. and missing numbers were for Solstice. ??maybe??

Further research has found very interesting facts about VIN numbering, but is only just for all of our understanding. Nothing changes, but some of the facts are interesting. I'll list my conclusions as I see them.
1) VIN numbers missing in my previous searches (numbers listed above) do exist and all numbers are Solstice's with LE5 engines.
2) Of the first SKY's produced (actually I only searched the first 44), they were all produced in the 2nd and 3rd week of Dec 2005.
3) VIN's 100008-100011-100025-100039-100042 (again, Solstices) were all produced in a March 22 through April 12, 2005 time frame. I found the records for each of those numbers to be Solstice convertibles. Interesting those numbers were used 8-9 months earlier in Solstice production, while the majority of the numbers in the group were assigned to SKY production which was only planned to start some 8 months later (Dec 6 through Dec 16, 2005).
4) On the subject of the VIN numbers beginning with a '0' and producing the first 1,000 Solstices, the VIN search this morning of 000144, found it's production date is claimed to be 2005-08-03! And, I do NOT see a possible reading of the date as 03-08-2005. There is no mistake there, I believe.
5) DaveOC's Solstice manufacture date of 2005-08-26 for unit 000741 seems a lot of units were produced over that 3 weeks (from unit 000144 on 2005-08-03), but with the mystique around this subject it seems anything is possible.

Not knowing these cars would end up limited production, probably no one ever thought there would ever be a question come up about production sequence. And I'd agree, it would NOT have. But now we know, production ceased after 3-4 years. Maybe just further gibberish about VIN numbering and only of interest to a few of us, but I obviously have an interest.:willy:

DaveOC 08-28-2015 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 954161)
3) VIN's 100008-100011-100025-100039-100042 (again, Solstices) were all produced in a March 22 through April 12, 2005 time frame. I found the records for each of those numbers to be Solstice convertibles. Interesting those numbers were used 8-9 months earlier in Solstice production, while the majority of the numbers in the group were assigned to SKY production which was only planned to start some 8 months later (Dec 6 through Dec 16, 2005).

Here is where the importance of the Model year part of the code comes in.

The March 2005 production was 6Y1000xx and you are comparing those numbers to the 7Y100xxx Sky numbers. Different model years are involved here.

The last 6 of the VIN are started over at 100001 with EACH MODEL YEAR. This is why you need to use the last 8 of the VIN.

The last 8 of any GM VIN are a unique identifier that will only reference a single GM car. The last 6 of the VIN are useless without the model year and plant identifier.

As a side note all 6Yxxxxxx cars are Solstice LE5s. There were no LNFs made until mid-model year 7Yxxxxxx. There were no Skys made with 6Yxxxxxx, as all Skys were 7Yxxxxxx and up.

44thSKY 08-29-2015 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 954465)
Here is where the importance of the Model year part of the code comes in.

The March 2005 production was 6Y1000xx and you are comparing those numbers to the 7Y100xxx Sky numbers. Different model years are involved here.

The last 6 of the VIN are started over at 100001 with EACH MODEL YEAR. This is why you need to use the last 8 of the VIN.

The last 8 of any GM VIN are a unique identifier that will only reference a single GM car. The last 6 of the VIN are useless without the model year and plant identifier.

As a side note all 6Yxxxxxx cars are Solstice LE5s. There were no LNFs made until mid-model year 7Yxxxxxx. There were no Skys made with 6Yxxxxxx, as all Skys were 7Yxxxxxx and up.

Dave, I see your point and I agree that eight (8) characters must be used. So, in looking back at my search of those missing five numbers in December 2005, I was using 6Y1000xx and finding a March/April 2005 manuf. dates. To find those missing units for 12/05 of my search, I must use 7Y1000xx. My attempts with those changes have not produced those units, so stumped on finding those for now.

I also note you state each model year's production starts with 100001, etc. Somehow, I had thought that was not happening, so i stand corrected on that important point. Thx

Also, in reviewing your previous posts, I believe I understand production went something like this:
1) the first Solstice cars 6Y100001~6Y100700 were produced starting around approx March 2005.
2) then promotion cars 6Y000001~6Y001000 were produced and spoken for in a 41 minute sell out.
3) following were Solstice ~6Y100701 and up began again for an unknown number of units.

Yes, this topic can be confusing! :banghead:

DaveOC 08-29-2015 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 954633)
3) following were Solstice ~6Y100701 and up began again for an unknown number of units.

Yes, this topic can be confusing! :banghead:

But we know exactly how many were made each year, at least what GM published for stockholder's interests.

reedred (on this forum) and I (on the Solstice forum), tracked production numbers each month after GM published the monthly numbers.

Reed put it together into a spreadsheet, by model year production by month, and published it here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...b?output=html#

For what it is worth, I was tracking Solstices, Skys, Corvettes and XLRs. Reed was tracking Solstices, Skys and Opel GTs. Despite our tracking them slightly differently, in the end our numbers agreed, identically.

Have fun.

:D

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44thSKY 08-29-2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOC (Post 954705)
But we know exactly how many were made each year, at least what GM published for stockholder's interests.

reedred (on this forum) and I (on the Solstice forum), tracked production numbers each month after GM published the monthly numbers.

Reed put it together into a spreadsheet, by model year production by month, and published it here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...b?output=html#
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Dave, BINGO.
What a link and what a spreadsheet!! Must represent a ton of work on each of your parts, you and Reed. I have seen those numbers before, but never with the monthly breakouts. That's now in my smartphone's email, forever in my pocket. Thx
:cool:

DaveOC 08-29-2015 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybus (Post 954745)
Dave, BINGO.
What a link and what a spreadsheet!! Must represent a ton of work on each of your parts, you and Reed. I have seen those numbers before, but never with the monthly breakouts. That's now in my smartphone's email, forever in my pocket. Thx
:cool:

5 minutes per month on old GM's website. New GM does not publish this info, I don't think.

44thSKY 08-30-2015 11:28 PM

First KAPPA's production, FOUND
 
I realize this topic is off subject for this tread, so I will start a new thread with the topic on the 'dates of the first Kappa production'.
:rolleyes:

HUNTERANGEL121 09-09-2015 01:45 PM

This applies for the p0420 Cel?

Robotech 09-09-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HUNTERANGEL121 (Post 962513)
This applies for the p0420 Cel?

Maybe. IF both O2 sensors are operating properly then it probably is a bad catalytic converter, yes.

HUNTERANGEL121 09-09-2015 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotech (Post 962737)
Maybe. IF both O2 sensors are operating properly then it probably is a bad catalytic converter, yes.

Thanks, I'll have to test them this weekend then.

ThreeFiddy 10-28-2015 03:44 AM

are they still doing this my vin is in there, im not getting any malfunction on the indicator lamp , but i feel that there is a lack of engine power tho..

Robotech 10-28-2015 01:34 PM

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If your cat was clogged, you could see a reduction of power but usually you'll throw a CEL.

ThreeFiddy 10-28-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Robotech (Post 989793)
If your cat was clogged, you could see a reduction of power but usually you'll throw a CEL.

I see gochu

RickyD 11-03-2016 12:34 PM

I have a brand new 2.4 CAT in the box
 
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If any body is interested I'm asking $175 plus shipping.


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