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Anyone have the CEL code for this? Would be nice to check it at home first before bringing it in for work that might not apply.
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Anyone have the CEL code for this? Would be nice to check it at home first before bringing it in for work that might not apply.
Check your Vin# to see if u r eligible first.
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It was a longtime ago, but in my case I believe it was a bunch of P0300, and a few P0302 (or 1,3, or 4).

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CAT warranty expiration

In my case I just have about 5 months left on the 10 year limit occurring first.

My VIN is double digit and the vehicle was placed in service on 1/19/2006, a very early SKY.

This brings me to the question about the original posting of the CAT warranty issue, and the listing of the VIN sequence as:
VEHICLES INVOLVED

Involved are certain 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), and built within the following VIN breakpoints:

2006 Pontiac Solstice from 6Y000001 to 6Y120195
2007 Pontiac Solstice from 7Y103375 to 7Y142882
2007 Saturn SKY from 7Y100001 to 7Y142739

Past information about the TOTAL number of Saturn SKY's built has always been in the area of 34,415 units. So with the number sequence going up to 42,739 units, HOW WERE THEY ACTUALLY NUMBERING THE UNITS IN THE VIN?

Does anyone have insight about the process used to establish the vehicle VIN numbers? Why would we see a VIN number that exceeds the number of units built in all three years of production (if the number built as quoted is accurate)?
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In my case I just have about 5 months left on the 10 year limit occurring first.

My VIN is double digit and the vehicle was placed in service on 1/19/2006, a very early SKY.

This brings me to the question about the original posting of the CAT warranty issue, and the listing of the VIN sequence as:
VEHICLES INVOLVED

Involved are certain 2006-2007 model year Pontiac Solstice vehicles, and 2007 model year Saturn SKY vehicles, equipped with a 2.4L engine (LE5), and built within the following VIN breakpoints:

2006 Pontiac Solstice from 6Y000001 to 6Y120195
2007 Pontiac Solstice from 7Y103375 to 7Y142882
2007 Saturn SKY from 7Y100001 to 7Y142739

Past information about the TOTAL number of Saturn SKY's built has always been in the area of 34,415 units. So with the number sequence going up to 42,739 units, HOW WERE THEY ACTUALLY NUMBERING THE UNITS IN THE VIN?

Does anyone have insight about the process used to establish the vehicle VIN numbers? Why would we see a VIN number that exceeds the number of units built in all three years of production (if the number built as quoted is accurate)?
Once the Model Year 2007 Solstices joined the mix, the VINS were intermixed between the Solstices and the Skys. Think of the last eight of the VIN as being the total of Kappas built during the model year.

Is that sufficient or do I need to expand on it?



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According to some of the old experts, they were built out of sequence, some 2010 built while the 2009 were still on the assembly line. Numbering has always been some what of a mystery I think.
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Cars do NOT come off the line in VIN# sequence. There are gaps where cars have been pulled off the line (bust out) and then places where those cars are reinserted into the line (bust in).

There are other gaps where a car has not started down the line even though a VIN# has already been assigned, usually due to missing parts for that particular build, that car will go down the line out of sequence when the parts become available.

For an example, the 30 2010 pre-production Solstices, Skys and GTs were intermixed with the 2009 Solstice Coupe production and regular convertible production. Markkk, one of the production guys, detailed this in a message, http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/1105037-post1.html , pay attention to the VIN#s, (he has 3 Skys accounted for as Solstices in his notes).

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Once the Model Year 2007 Solstices joined the mix, the VINS were intermixed between the Solstices and the Skys. Think of the last eight of the VIN as being the total of Kappas built during the model year.

Is that sufficient or do I need to expand on it?



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Hi DaveOC, you might have meant to say "the last six of the VIN". The number '7' is the year, and the letter 'Y' represents the PLANT of manufacture, WILLINGTON.

In your reference to 'mixing the Solstice and SKY VIN's as the units came off the line', I had heard that too. So if that is what happened, then when the SKY production started, VIN numbers for both cars must have started from '0'. This would explain how SKY VIN's exceed the reported total overall production number.

My SKY is #44 and came off the line on 12/16/2005.

I'll add, I have searched all 50 of the SKY's initial production and printed out the record on every one of those units. There are five SKY units missing in the first 44 accounted for that preceed my VIN number (8-11-25-39-42). Could this mean those VIN's were 2007 Solstice production? Meaning that in initial SKY production, VIN numbers started from zero (0) again for Solstice. and missing numbers were for Solstice. ??maybe?? A Solstice owner with VIN 00008, could be a misnomer as to production number.

Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.

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Hi DaveOC, you might have meant to say "the last six of the VIN". The number '7' is the year, and the letter 'Y' represents the PLANT of manufacture, WILLINGTON.

In your reference to 'mixing the Solstice and SKY VIN's as the units came off the line', I had heard that too. So if that is what happened, then when the SKY production started, VIN numbers for both cars must have started from '0'. This would explain how SKY VIN's exceed the reported total overall production number.

My SKY is #44 and came off the line on 12/16/2005.

I'll add, I have searched all 50 of the SKY's initial production and printed out the record on every one of those units. There are five SKY units missing in the first 44 accounted for that preceed my VIN number (8-11-25-39-42). Could this mean those VIN's were 2007 Solstice production? Meaning that in initial SKY production, VIN numbers started from zero (0) again for Solstice. and missing numbers were for Solstice. ??maybe?? A Solstice owner with VIN 00008, could be a misnomer as to production number.

Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.
There is a reason I used Last 8.

Solstice Production for the 06 model year ended sometime in June, 2006. At that time, the last 8 of the VIN#s changed for the Solstices from 6Y1xxxxx to 7Y1xxxxx.

Sky production started in December, 2005 as an 2007 Model Year Vehicle with VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx.

From December, 2005, to the Solstice Model Year Changeover in June, 2006, Solstice VINs 6Y1xxxxx and Sky VINs 7Y1xxxxx were intermixed coming off the line.

After the model year changeover, both the Solstices and Skys were using the VINs ending in 7Y1xxxxx

The only vehicles with a VIN ending in 6Y0xxxxx were the "First 1000" Pontiac Solstice promotion cars. The very first Solstice pre-production VINs ended in 6Y100001 through approx 6Y100700 (approximately), then came 6Y000001 through 6Y001000, then the regular sequence resumed with 6Y100701 (approximately). I say approximately because no one was ever quite sure where that break occurred, or at least it has never been documented.

Each model years sequence started with a "1" following the "Y".

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Hope this isn't all too confusing, but just trying to understand what might have been going on in this issue. ?? Heck, the color of my car in the original build was VICTORY RED, not Chili Pepper Red as it was later called. Who knows, maybe the color of paint used on my SKY was actually a different mix. I do get a lot of positive comments and praise of the paint.
For what it is worth, VICTORY RED is the exact same paint as CHILI PEPPER RED, and also exactly the same as the Solstice AGGRESSIVE RED.

Those missing MY07 VINs were probably 2007 Pre-production Solstices.

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DaveOC, unless I miss my guess, I'd say you came out of the factory. In any event, you have provided more about the VIN numbering process than I have ever learned anywhere else.

I've copied your replies, and will email them to myself to retain for future reference. Thanks for sharing.
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DaveOC, unless I miss my guess, I'd say you came out of the factory. In any event, you have provided more about the VIN numbering process than I have ever learned anywhere else.

I've copied your replies, and will email them to myself to retain for future reference. Thanks for sharing.
No factory for me, just a retired, classically trained attorney, who enjoyed being a software engineer and self-employed computer and network support person, along with several other specialties.

There were several of us on the Solstice side, and here too, that noodled out what was going on with the VIN numbers during the 2005-2007 time frame. It helped that there were plant people that frequented the forums back then also.

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Dave, for what it's worth, in your sign-off at the bottom of your postings, could I assume that you meant to make that number '100741' OR are you meaning as you wrote: '000741'?

In re-reading where you use 0xxxxx, I don't completely understand, so clarification here will help me from an error in the future. If you stand with your number, that has to mean you own a PROMOTION Solstice unit. Right? OR, if it is '100741', then maybe you have the 41'st Solstice unit of the regular production vehicle! To ask the question a different way, do you own a PROMOTION VEHICLE or is it a REGULAR PRODUCTION VEHICLE? ?????

Did Pontiac sell the PROMOTION vehicles to the public or were they supposed to be destroyed? A longtime experienced SKY&Solstice owner has told me in the past that Saturn was to have destroyed the first 50 SKY units. I don't have any idea if this is true or not. In any event, my #44 unit must have escaped the destiny somehow.

Dave, I now certainly have a better understanding of the in's and out's of the VIN assignments of the Kappa vehicles. Thanks.
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Dave, for what it's worth, in your sign-off at the bottom of your postings, could I assume that you meant to make that number '100741' OR are you meaning as you wrote: '000741'?
I own #741 of the "First 1000" Solstice promotion, that was tied in with the Apprentice television show.

On April 15, 2005, preregistered future owners tried to obtain a 1st 1000 Solstice. I got one. All 1000 were sold in 41 minutes. These were the cars with the VINs ending in 6Y000001 through 6Y001000.

As an aside, there were many issues with the computers at the dealerships. Two in particular were problematic. People living in areas of the country with ZIP codes starting with 0 were excluded from the promotion, and Canadian dealers were also locked out. The VINs # 6Y100700 through 6Y101000 were used to satisfy some of the 0-ZIPpers and the canadians, and then regular production started around 6Y101001 or thereabouts.

There was a lot of confusion with all of this, which resulted in a LOT of discussion here and on the Solsticeforum.com. When you have plenty of time, do some searching for 0-Zip, First 1000, and VIN number both here and on solsticeforum and prepare to be really confused.

There are a lot of people out there that seem to need to know where in the production spectrum their car was, and what number their car was. Most of us at the time were just excited to get our cars after waiting since the car shows in 2002 to get our little roadsters.

6Y000741 was built on August 26, 2005, and I took delivery on October 3, 2005. In between those dates it spent time sitting at Wilmington, DE plant, Lordstown, OH plant, and Janesville, WI plant before boarding a truck for the final trip to my dealer in the Milwaukee, WI area.



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Did u attend the party for the first 1000 owners?
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