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No cluster lights - specifically the speedo and tach

What do you think is going on. 6 months ago I replace the dimmer switch with no probs. Last night got in the car and everything else lit up except the speedo and tach. I went to the fuse box and replaced the 10 amp with another - still no joy. The specific fuse is the #7 (cluster). Any thoughts?

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The cluster backlights and all the switch backlights (etc) are driven from the same circuit from the BCM, in parallel. If you switches are lit, then there's nothing wrong with the lighting circuit per se. The issue may be in the cluster itself, or perhaps just a loose connector/pin on the back.

There's no fuse for these lights, the BCM drives them all and load senses/protects itself.

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just an irrelevant remark...did your knee turn the knob that controls the dimming?
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Okay. It looks like a major undertaking to get behind the cluster. I'm going to have wait on this problem. Out of interest - what does the #7 do? The manual does say cluster.

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Okay. It looks like a major undertaking to get behind the cluster. I'm going to have wait on this problem. Out of interest - what does the #7 do? The manual does say cluster.
It is not difficult....just take off the passenger side cowel (is that the term) Under the steering wheel area. Just a few screws...U remove the top and left side plastic pillars around the window. They pull out/off. (2 pieces total) You can now bend your dashboard to gain access to your gauges.

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Out of interest - what does the #7 do? The manual does say cluster.
It is the power for the cluster: processor, needle motors, alert lights, DIC display, etc. It just doesn't power the gauge backlights

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By the way, I did recheck my dimmer control and realized it is useless until I find out about the cluster. It can't dim 'cause its got nothing toooo dim.

(passenger side cowl)??? As you look at the steering wheel, just beneath where the key is inserted I see some screws that would drop something but maybe you're talking of the whole plastic panel beneath the steering column and above where your feet would be. The "top and left side plastic pillars around the window" - Not too clear on those exactly. I see vertical pillers on the driver's side and passenger side - the defrost air outlets are on those - if that's what you mean. Why am I getting a bad feeling about this - it's because they didn't teach me these goodies in "shop."

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It is the power for the cluster: processor, needle motors, alert lights, DIC display, etc. It just doesn't power the gauge backlights
I've had an intermittent issue that pretty much blanks out all of that, so it looks like you put me on the right path. Thanks!
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By the way, I did recheck my dimmer control and realized it is useless until I find out about the cluster. It can't dim 'cause its got nothing toooo dim.
It should still dim the dashboard and door switch backlights, and the radio, no?

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By the way, I did recheck my dimmer control and realized it is useless until I find out about the cluster. It can't dim 'cause its got nothing toooo dim.

(passenger side cowl)??? As you look at the steering wheel, just beneath where the key is inserted I see some screws that would drop something but maybe you're talking of the whole plastic panel beneath the steering column and above where your feet would be. The "top and left side plastic pillars around the window" - Not too clear on those exactly. I see vertical pillers on the driver's side and passenger side - the defrost air outlets are on those - if that's what you mean. Why am I getting a bad feeling about this - it's because they didn't teach me these goodies in "shop."
When u open your drivers side door...on the side of the dashbord there is a flat piece of plastic that snaps out...begin taking those screws out and work yourself around that cowel...all u need to do is unscrew that lower cowel to the radio on the drivers side. Period. Then on th drivers side top pillar...snap that off around the window...then the left side which has the speaker for speaking....then u have access to lift up the dash...it does bend. A second set of hands is helpful...but u now have access to the wiring of the gauges in the rear. Anyone else want to chime in?

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Honestly I don't think the dimmer works. Prior to all of the above my cluster was never really bright nor could I increase or decrease it.
enough to get by before but right now the cluster is flat out dark.

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I've really got to thank Marlboromike for all this info. I don't think I could get by without this site. In time I'll get to this pesty problem.

sidelight - yesterday I was scooting thru a business park looking into checking out a restaurant to take some Ohio guests to this weekend and a guy in a SUV yells "beautiful car." Everybody reading this post knows what that feels like. I yelled out "thanks."

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Marlboromike - a few clarifications. At the left side of the windshield (sitting in the car) is a plastic pillar with a speaker? at the bottom of it - looks like it would snap out. You mentioned two pieces to remove. Is this one of them. If it is - where's the other? You mentioned "top and left side pillars." Pillars - that's my problem..

Hate to be a pain in the neck Sam
I'd like to attempt this fix myself.

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Let's send up the MM signal. @marlboromike

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Let's send up the MM signal. @marlboromike

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The Bat signal received....to remove the A pillar with the speaker...u must remove the top left pillar (snaps right out)...then it can be removed. Be careful of the hanging mic wire.

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