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Yes, there are various problems with CompNine, but (unfortunately) it IS the most complete set of data that we have available.

If you know of anything more complete and/or accurate, please share.
Not open to the General public no I don't know of a better database. But is bad data better than no data?

Using compnine to then say you have 1 of 12 cars like this in the world is not correct, so whats the point.

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Most Kappas are unique, especially when taking all options into the equation.

I have a very simple nothing special 2.4 Solstice and when taking all options into account my car is 1 of 1 for 2007

Compnine gives tons of very valuable information which we would not have without their services.
Actually, this is where the CompNine data falls apart (especially for 2007).
CompNine's data for 2007 is very faulty, as most of the Kappas for that year are not correctly identified in their database and therefore end up not being included in the totals.

Furthermore (for all the years), their "rarity" computation includes all RPO codes, not just what we would consider "options". These RPO codes include internal things like "build week". This means that a completely identical car built a week later (maybe even just the next day) would be "different" in CompNine's rarity computation.

To get a real idea of how rare a Kappa is from the CompNine data, you need to examine each combination of just the "real" options (i.e. color, seats, transmission, radio, spoiler, etc.). It is a time consuming and tricky procedure, but it IS possible (at least for years other than 2007).

If you just look at their rarity computation, almost all Kappas end up as "1 of 1" or "1 of 2"...and that's just completely misleading.

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Not open to the General public no I don't know of a better database. But is bad data better than no data?

Using compnine to then say you have 1 of 12 cars like this in the world is not correct, so whats the point.
Well, the CompNine data is still quite usable, IF you know where the holes/problems are.

Their generic "rarity" computation is silly because many of the RPO codes that it uses are irrelevant to how rare a car is.
Several of the paint codes have incorrect descriptions (I suspect because those codes have been re-used over the years), but the actual numbers for those colors appear to be correct.
Finally, the 2007 data is severely lacking, which...well...sucks.

But, if you know how to work around these issues (and can live without much in the way of 2007 data), there is still much that can be useful.

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Yes a lot of cars seem unidentified. But the Kappa totals seem to match up quite good.
No, not really.

For example, if you query their 2007 data for how many Kappas had 2.4 engines and/or how many had 2.0 engines, the totals are way too low. That seems to be because the "unidentified" cars are not being included in those kinds of searches.

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Data presented is only as good as what is recorded and the level at which one can find the data useful or not is in direct correlation to how accurate the data is within the known limitations of the data.

Thus to say Compnine is worthless is untrue but to regard it as an end all be all, or even to determine a vehicles rarity, is equally untrue.


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The worthless part is wanting to know the "rarity" of your car in the first place. I can usually drive either of mine around for a week and not see another one. Not another one just like it, another one, period, and that is all the rarity I need to know about.
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And then there is me who sees one everyday and who saw two others within 10 minutes of each other earlier this week. I think the most I've seen in one day, Solstices and Skys, was 5 and that wasn't including my own nor was it as part of a "meet".


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A friend who once worked at a GM dealership looked up and gave me an RPO report for the Olds Bravada I used to own. What we need is a friendly person with GM contacts who is willing to run 107,000 RPO reports. By filtering out the meaningless codes we could then do an accurate analysis.

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As long as there are more than 10 SKYS in existence....it is not rare...ya think. Stop tooting your horn.
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Oh come now MM...10? 1,000 is considered a rare car. 100 would be extremely rare.


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By filtering out the meaningless codes we could then do an accurate analysis.
You CAN filter out the meaningless codes on CompNine - but it doesn't do it by default, and it tales some work to get it right (and it is screwed up for the 2007 model year).

For your Carbon Flash, for example, I broke it down to this (by just using the color, engine, and transmission codes).

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----322 Turbo (LNF)
--------157 Automatic (M82)
--------165 Manual (MA5)
----228 Base (LE5)
--------140 Automatic (M82)
--------88 Manual (MA5)

Your car is 1 out of the 165 Manual Carbon Flash 2008 Redlines - for whatever that is or isn't worth to you.

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As long as there are more than 10 SKYS in existence....it is not rare...ya think. Stop tooting your horn.
34,415. Rare enough for me. Toyota builds that many Camrys each month.
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Oh come now MM...10? 1,000 is considered a rare car. 100 would be extremely rare.
Go FIGURE... Keep adding those ZEROS
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