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I HAVE the ac pump as it was included in the kit but I would have to remove that bump in the frame (passenger side) and I don't have the welding equipment or confidence to really dick with that as it is a major structural support . I will be wiring up the harness to have ac and I may come back to it down the road.
I went with the CTS-V accessory drive belt system as well. How much of the bump in the frame has to be removed? The whole thing? That's the direction I'm leaning without having test fitted the engine into the bay yet. I was thinking of welding a piece of 1/8" flat steel in its place to make up for what will be cut out. Will there still be room for the new AC compressor and bracket if I do that?

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A V6 yes but a built 4.3 would be better since they're a 5.7 V8 with the front two cylinders cut off and 4 bolt main where as the 3.8s I don't think are. Just a thought :blush:
Nope, the 3.8L 3800 Series II supercharged V6 was derived from the Buick 3.5L V8 back in the 1960s. 90 degree valley and cross-bolted, four bolt mains. Stock block and cranck on these engines have seen 700+ hp from turbo and supercharged applications. Considered one of the 10 best engines in the last 100 years and known for their reliability, durability, and ease of maintenance.

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I think the biggest problem with using this engine would be the height of it in the car.



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1.2" may not seem like much but with the 3800 if you want to build big power you need an intercooler...that adds 2-3" to the height. Now you're looking at 3.2-4.2" difference. That's huge under the hood.


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I think the biggest problem with using this engine would be the height of it in the car.
Damn! That would be a fine sight to see that supercharger poking out through a hole in the hood of a Sky/Sol!

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Ya TS...Mad Max style!!! Would LOVE that. And the 3800 produces more torque than HP so if you're running 500 whp expect your torque level to be significantly higher than that! LOL

Hell, at that point bring the intake right off the back and put a big old butterfly throttle body up there!


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Roust what part number is your crank pulley/ balancer?

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I believe it was part number 12635649. It should be the pulley for the CTS-V

As far as the bump-out goes. I didn't remove mine yet as I am just leaving the AC off for now. But from what I see it would have to be cut flush to the fame.

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As far as the bump-out goes. I didn't remove mine yet as I am just leaving the AC off for now. But from what I see it would have to be cut flush to the fame.
Well, I cut out the bump and welded a 1/8" thick plate back in its place. I hope it'll be enough clearance.

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This is a very cool build, any updates?
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Ya TS...Mad Max style!!! Would LOVE that. And the 3800 produces more torque than HP so if you're running 500 whp expect your torque level to be significantly higher than that! LOL

Hell, at that point bring the intake right off the back and put a big old butterfly throttle body up there!

In 1995, I had a 1990 Olds Toronado Trofeo (like the one below) with a stock 3800 V6. I purchased a 3800 series 2 supercharged motor with 34k on it at the local bone yard for $1500.00. I paid a repair shop $300.00 to swap motors and an auto electrician $500.00 to wire it and adjust the timing. That car was/felt really fast.



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Love the sleepers! The 3800 was a potent engine, that's for sure. I had heavily modified my Series II SC 3800 (That's the yellow engine above) and we figure, with the issues I had and on a very basic tune based on the times she was running that she was putting down something like 450 to the wheels. We would have got a lot more out of it had I had the time and money to finish it right.


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Love the sleepers! The 3800 was a potent engine, that's for sure. I had heavily modified my Series II SC 3800 (That's the yellow engine above) and we figure, with the issues I had and on a very basic tune based on the times she was running that she was putting down something like 450 to the wheels. We would have got a lot more out of it had I had the time and money to finish it right.
Didn't the Buick Grand National GNx have a TC 3800 motor? I have read that it was the quickest production car of its time, even faster than a Vette.

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Didn't the Buick Grand National GNx have a TC 3800 motor? I have read that it was the quickest production car of its time, even faster than a Vette.

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It did and it was. The 3800 in the Buick GNX (and Buick Regal T-type...and the 1985 Pontiac Trans Am Turbo...both of which are just as powerful but receive far less recognition) was the 3800 Series I. The Supercharged version in the 3800 Series II and Series III are direct descendants of that engine.

Sadly, the Series I is very different than the Series II and III and many of the aftermarket parts they make for the Series I (like heads) will not work on the later engiens.


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Better late then never. Finally got it to the dyno.
This is the second iteration of the build, after I blew up my first trans and gave up on the MSD I was using originally.
Currently running Holley Dominator ECU.
I am not sure what is going on with the HP numbers. I would have expected it to climb another 40-60 points over the torque numbers, but that didn't happen. MAP load was slowly trailing off, so possibly exhaust or intake restriction. I'm over it for now, so this is how it shall be for the time being.
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That Dyno run looks really good and your numbers are on par.
For example The Dodge Challenger 392 HEMIŽ V8 engine has 485 horsepower, 475 pound-feet of torque.

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I don't know how to embed youtube videos on the forums here but here is a video of a dyno pull and one of the idle just for fun.

https://youtu.be/qzz_gkAC6Ag

https://youtu.be/h4Y4MLsZyBc

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