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NASSAM 2020 Rapid City

Hello, welcome to the NASSAM 2020 thread.

As was announced at the 2018 NASSAM banquet, those who brought you NASSAM 2015 (Pacific Northwest Roadsters - PNWR) with some help from Ohio, Arkansas, Minnesota and the wonderful province of British Columbia are happy to bring you the 2020 version of NASSAM, this time hosted in Rapid City, South Dakota.

This thread in no way is an intent to take focus and planning effort from the 2019 event (some of us are working on that one too), but rather to simply let the community know that there is a 2020 event planned for June 21-26, 2020. As this constitutes a long drive for just about everyone, so we thought we'd get the word out and perhaps folks could plan a once in a lifetime trip to see Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Custer National Park, Devils Tower and my personal favorite, the Badlands of South Dakota.

Best regards from PNWR and our cast of thousands.

Hope to see you in 2020.
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Hello, welcome to the NASSAM 2020 thread.

As was announced at the 2018 NASSAM banquet, those who brought you NASSAM 2015 (Pacific Northwest Roadsters - PNWR) with some help from Ohio, Arkansas, Minnesota and the wonderful province of British Columbia are happy to bring you the 2020 version of NASSAM, this time hosted in Rapid City, South Dakota.

This thread in no way is an intent to take focus and planning effort from the 2019 event (some of us are working on that one too), but rather to simply let the community know that there is a 2020 event planned for June 21-26, 2020. As this constitutes a long drive for just about everyone, so we thought we'd get the word out and perhaps folks could plan a once in a lifetime trip to see Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Custer National Park, Devils Tower and my personal favorite, the Badlands of South Dakota.

Best regards from PNWR and our cast of thousands.

Hope to see you in 2020.

Thank you for the heads up. I was hoping the 2020 NASSAM would be in Canton, Ohio to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the highest attended NASSM or NASSAM ever. Why isn't there a poll on the Kappa forums (including Facebook) to see where everyone that wants to go to a nationals can cast a vote?? Living in Northeast, Ohio, I have a choice of driving 4.42 hours to Corning, NY in 2019 or 18.47 hours to Rapid City, SD in 2020. For various reasons, my wife and I were unable to attend the prior NASSAM's that were closer to us. I hope that everyone who attends the 2020 NASSAM has a great time. God willing, my wife and I will be in Corning, NY for the 2019 NASSAM.




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Why isn't there a poll on the Kappa forums (including Facebook) to see where everyone that wants to go to a nationals can cast a vote?

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I think the simple answer to your question is that the folks who volunteer to host the event (and do all of the work) are given the choice of location. Pacific Northwest Roadsters hosted our first event close to home in Portland, Oregon knowing that we would not attract too many people from 3,000 miles away. Thus, for 2020 I was hoping to split the difference in mileage driven. And I might point out, if this were put to a vote each year...I'd speculate it would never occur west of the Mississippi River.
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I would have loved to make it to Colorado this year. It's about an 11 hour drive for us. Would have gone but just had too many other trips and work that got in the way. I didn't own my Sky in 2013 when NASSAM came to Flagstaff, AZ. Only a 2 hour drive.

I agree that if its up to a vote it would always occur in the mid-west or east coast region where large cities are closer together. The west is spread out so no concentration of owners in any one area. I would never be able to go to an east coast event.

Rapid City is an 18 hour drive. Unlikely we could make it. Time off work is the main issue.

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The NASSAM is always up for a vote. If you want to host one you state that fact and a discussion ensues. Generally we are lucky to find anyone who is wiling to do the work necessary to host one. The Ohio group did a great job then fell off the map never to be heard from again. Which is typical for events. The effort needed to conduct a national can burn out any small group of people.

If you want one in Ohio, stand up and say so. Get several people to work with you and let everyone know. Asking others to create an event for your convenience just does not work.
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The NASSAM is always up for a vote. If you want to host one you state that fact and a discussion ensues. Generally we are lucky to find anyone who is wiling to do the work necessary to host one. The Ohio group did a great job then fell off the map never to be heard from again. Which is typical for events. The effort needed to conduct a national can burn out any small group of people.

If you want one in Ohio, stand up and say so. Get several people to work with you and let everyone know. Asking others to create an event for your convenience just does not work.

I never asked anyone to "create an event for my convenience" Rob. I simply stated that I was hoping it would be in Canton, Ohio to celebrate the 10 yr anniversary of the 2010 NASSAM. I would be more than happy to assist anyone that asked me. From what I understand, you (and your planning team) did a great job with the 2018 NASSAM. As far as "NASSAM is always up for a vote", where did the 2020 NASSAM vote take place? I checked the Kappa forums and I didn't see any discussion on 2020 NASSAM whatsoever. Not using the assumption that you made on the Sol forum (see below) why not take a poll on the Kappa forums and Facebook to gauge what locations the majority of people would like to and be able to attend. After that, put two or three places that the majority picked, and ask those two or three locations to come up with a planning team. If nobody wants to take on the task in a timely fashion, then on to the next location. Of course it is much easier to just get five or six people together and say here is where we are having the next national event.


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It is put to a vote effectively and we have not had more than one location be in serious competition. Several times an individual or small group will volunteer and withdraw. Plus, the vast majority of attendees donít regularly come to the forums anymore. They share on FB so any kind of voting would have to be implemented outside the Forumsís




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From my perspective and I believe is the same thing Rob is saying, ....... whoever puts together a team and begins the ground work with a team, choosing a logically sized location with potential facilities and a true workable plan can almost assuredly announce their intention to hold a NASSAM and will go uncontested.

A location vote? .......... never happen. Outside opinions are just that, outside. The strength behind any NASSAM20xx is the commitment of that local team.

Furthermore, in the event of two strong challengers, one from East and one from West, would more than likely end up in two Regional Meets, OR one succeeding to a later year. IMHO.
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If you go back a few years, every time the current NASSAM ends, there has been a discussion about where to hold it next. This discussion has been in effect the decision process. People generally speculate on different locations, where the event has been in the past, where the most kappas are, where the center of the country is etc etc etc. One group will say "we will do it in Canton" Another group will say " we will do it in Seattle" (never Cali however) Then a debate over the proposed sites will ensue. Eventually the preponderance of people will voice a preference for one site over another, then one of the competing groups will withdraw because its too much work or they cant get enough people to commit to leading the event or . .. you name it.

That is as close to a vote as you are ever going to get. Its how the process worked until a couple of years ago.

Then we had NO one who stood up to host and Lexington volunteered to host so the event would not just die.

When we started discussion Colorado for 2018 there was a discussion about alternatives in Canada, NY etc that eventually came to naught.

This is an amorphous group of individuals with no operating rules or leadership.

The conversation and back and forth IS the voting.

So Yes voting has happened until 2017 when we almost had NO NASSAM.

The fact that we have volunteers for the next two years is a great benefit in my mind.

If YOU can pull together a group to compete for 2020 then make a proposal. There is plenty of time to have a conversation and go through our normal "voting" process.

I personally LOVE Dakota because its a great venue and close.
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If you want one in Ohio, stand up and say so. Get several people to work with you and let everyone know. Asking others to create an event for your convenience just does not work.
Couldn't agree with you more Rob. With all due respect Saturn Sky Dude, Rob is right, to have people step up and help put something on of this magnitude together is phenomenal. I don't know the answer to this, and if I'm wrong I'm very sorry, but did you help with the one in Canton 10 years ago? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just realistic. Sure we could have a poll and let's say Canton won, would there be anyone in Canton to step up and arrange everything. As I'm sure many people would attest, these events don't organize themselves

I agree it would be much closer for you but probably not for the next guy, take me for instance before I moved, I lived in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. According to "Google Maps", for me it was a 22 hour/ 1200 mile trip to go to Portland, for me to go to this years NASSM it was a 15 hour/900 mile trip, now that I'm living in Montreal it is only a 8 hour/360 mile trip. Still far enough but certainly much closer. For me this is the best option. If I was still living in Regina, Rapid City would make an incredible amount of sense for me. Months ago I had even told Rob I would come to Black Hawk when it was announced but in the meantime I had moved down east.

I know Robo mentioned before, that because the US and Canada for that matter is very large, maybe the thought of having more regional events has merit. I truly admire all the people who either drive or trailer their cars great distances to the NASSM events.


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those who brought you NASSAM 2015 (Pacific Northwest Roadsters - PNWR) with some help from Ohio, Arkansas, Minnesota and the wonderful province of British Columbia are happy to bring you the 2020 version of NASSAM, this time hosted in Rapid City, South Dakota.
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2020 event planned for June 21-26, 2020.
My second job in Silly Valley was named for Rapid City. And luckily, my employer's huge user conference will be three weeks before NASSAM 2020 (whereas this past year it was the week before), so I hope to be able to make it.

Not sure I can drive from San Jose to New York, and I don't know how much sense it would make to rent a car (unless I could rent a Kappa) to fly in for 2019.

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A significant change has taken place regarding NASSAM. In the past, it was planned by various regional groups; for 2019 and 2020 a widespread group has taken the lead. One person from Oklahoma, 2 from Washington, 1 whose location I don't know, and a "boots on the ground" person from the event area. Is this the way things will be done in the future?


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I am just happy that someone has taken these on.

California is just too far from everywhere it seems, and people here have too much to do, or that is the excuse they use. Why would I drive thru the desert to Colorado or Ohio, New York or any place else is the normal comment. We mentioned the idea, at our Palm Springs event, and not a single person raised their hand. I never expect to see a National in the state of California. Pretty sure it would be the least attended one in history.

But I never expect to cross the Mississippi to go to an event. Going to New York is a three week trip. Too many miles and too much possible bad weather between. I would love to go, as I know that the area is absolutely gorgeous, I have been in the area for motocross and mountain bike events. The wife has never been in the area.

I am glad that Sooner is doing this, as I know it will be a great event. And I am amazed that he has taken this on. Some of us are gluttons for punishment I guess. I have always had a love/hate relationship with Sooners, but this one is one of the nicest people on earth, and always seems ready to give of himself. Again thanks Sooner, we all owe you for seeing the next two years happen.
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Carl, it appears that things are changing and possibly a group is truly being formed to run and operate these events. Non profit organizations can have employees, can bring in major sponsors and can put money away for future events. I hope that this is the plan, as it is just too much work for a single group to learn and do it every year.
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A significant change has taken place regarding NASSAM. In the past, it was planned by various regional groups; for 2019 and 2020 a widespread group has taken the lead. One person from Oklahoma, 2 from Washington, 1 whose location I don't know, and a "boots on the ground" person from the event area. Is this the way things will be done in the future?
Could be. I've been drafted into the 2019 effort and I'm 750 miles away from Corning, NY. Several on our committee are much further away than I am. We'll see how it works out. The key is that we all support the kappa "community" of owners, and have for the last 10 - 13 years.



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Thanks Dave.

Another reason to try to fly back!!!!
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