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Some people have certain talents, others not so much. Ones that offend people normally are not in the promotion side of business. All must understand that these things are a business venture, you need attendees and with out them, you fail in your mission. For me and a few friends, the door of going to New York keeps narrowing. Just recieved a text from a friend that the door has closed.

No I's in the word team, unfortunately this group seems to have a huge arrogant I in it. Here is hoping Sooner and Dave can make this happen in spite of some of their help.
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He (Tom) has NEVER helped with any NEO event !!! some people just bitch and moan
So "hoping" the 2020 NASSAM was in Canton and asking if the forums could "vote" on a NASSAM location was me bitching and moaning. Since 2008, I have been fighting for my life and my home due to a blood cancer Leukemia. Last summer, I spent over 150 days in the hospital which included 2 aggressive rounds of chemo and a bone marrow transplant and I have been out of work ever since. It works both ways. We exchanged phone numbers before I got sick so you have my number. I was NEVER asked to help in any way, shape or form.

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Couldn't agree with you more Rob. With all due respect Saturn Sky Dude, Rob is right, to have people step up and help put something on of this magnitude together is phenomenal. I don't know the answer to this, and if I'm wrong I'm very sorry, but did you help with the one in Canton 10 years ago? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just realistic. Sure we could have a poll and let's say Canton won, would there be anyone in Canton to step up and arrange everything. As I'm sure many people would attest, these events don't organize themselves

I agree it would be much closer for you but probably not for the next guy, take me for instance before I moved, I lived in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. According to "Google Maps", for me it was a 22 hour/ 1200 mile trip to go to Portland, for me to go to this years NASSM it was a 15 hour/900 mile trip, now that I'm living in Montreal it is only a 8 hour/360 mile trip. Still far enough but certainly much closer. For me this is the best option. If I was still living in Regina, Rapid City would make an incredible amount of sense for me. Months ago I had even told Rob I would come to Black Hawk when it was announced but in the meantime I had moved down east.

I know Robo mentioned before, that because the US and Canada for that matter is very large, maybe the thought of having more regional events has merit. I truly admire all the people who either drive or trailer their cars great distances to the NASSM events.


As I said I certainly mean no disrespect and am not trying to be argumentative, just my thoughts...

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NO. I was finishing my chemo treatments from my bout with Leukemia, the first time I was diagnosed, and had to be cleared by my doctor to go to the event. Did you help with the 2010 NASSAM????


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I suggest you just do everything from now on. It is quite obvious no one is as qualified, knows anywhere enough to do these things. Personal oppinion here, "I"could not care less about you being mad. Just shut up and do what you said you would and quit whinning about it. Do you like those words, I hope not, because none of us like the crap you have been spreading.
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Carl, it appears that things are changing and possibly a group is truly being formed to run and operate these events. Non profit organizations can have employees, can bring in major sponsors and can put money away for future events. I hope that this is the plan, as it is just too much work for a single group to learn and do it every year.
I wish this was the case, but I don't see this happening again. Originally there was NASSOA (North American Solstice & Sky Owners Association, which was partially funded by General Motors, (Pontiac) and maybe a bit by Saturn. With the GM bankruptcy. and the dissolution of Pontiac and Saturn, the funding from the GM side evaporated. It was also partially funded by membership fees, and that part also dried up about the same time and for a bunch of reasons. The funds remaining were used for the Canton meeting in 2010.

Since then, each event has been hosted by a different group in a different location by Kappa owners that stepped forward when needed. I was peripherally involved with the Asheville effort, having independently reviewed and driven their runs while I was in the area. I haven't been involved with any other events until this recent stretch.

There is a core group of people that support these get togethers, almost regardless of where they occur. These same people are involved in supporting 2019 in New York. The Pacific Northwest Group, which put on the Portland meeting, appears to be behind the 2020 Rapid City event. There isn't a lot of crossover between these two groups.

That's about it as far as I can see down the road. I would love to see a national group emerge to take over the planning of these events, but I don't see any funding coming from the ranks to support it. Our kappa enthusiast groups are just too small. and too highly, regionally based.

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I suggest you just do everything from now on. It is quite obvious no one is as qualified, knows anywhere enough to do these things. Personal oppinion here, "I"could not care less about you being mad. Just shut up and do what you said you would and quit whinning about it. Do you like those words, I hope not, because none of us like the crap you have been spreading.
Amen, friend! We don't need these diatribes upsetting us. (At least it's in the 2020 pages and not the 2019 group! )



OK, everyone, let's move on, and get back on track!



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After 2010 a group of us discussed putting together a "Technical Services Group" that could work from home on an event anywhere in North America to help a local group host an event. The idea was to provide web services, vendor contacts, merchandise source recommendations, and procedural advice to a group so that they could focus on the local aspects of the event. I had hoped that 2011 in Lexington would provide the springboard for that group, mainly leveraging the knowledge gained during the 2010 event (although probably not most of the people who were quite burned-out by that time) but that never happened. Conversations after 2011 failed to generate any traction for a variety of reasons.

My belief, solidified by my experience last year, is that one or two motivated people can successfully plan and prepare for one of our NASSAMs in one year without excessive stress or effort. tarting more than a year in advance is really only necessary to ensure that the date is available at the chosen venue. I learned the hard way what I should have already known, that it takes more than four people, however motivated, to successfully execute that event without excessive stress and effort.

The hardest part of the planning and preparation is figuring out what you don't know. Given a pre-existing website design, tested and proven registration, payment, and merchandise ordering arrangements, reliable and experienced sources for merchandise, known contacts with major vendors, and a guide-book of what to look out for, the rest is really pretty easy, if somewhat time consuming on occasion. Any area that is going to host an NASSAM is going to already have a catalog of good runs and car activity destinations, and is going to have a suitable hotel and banquet complex. Having a TSG to provide the backbone needed to build the event around frees the organizers to sort out local vendors, schedules, and on-site assistance.

I still think the idea of the TSG is valid, and requires very little in the way of organization, but it is going to take the right group of people to set it up, and the right group of event organizers to actually take advantage of it. So, yeah, it will probably never happen.

Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
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Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
Agreed.

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I spoke with Robo this morning, he is not able to post or access from work for some reason.
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Did you help with the 2010 NASSAM????
No I will admit I didn't, but then again according to Google, I lived 28 hours/1800 miles from Canton...….

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Good Evening:

As was done for 2018 I've posted 2020 information on the three forums and Facebook. Thus far Kappa Performance - No discussion to date, Solstice Forum - A little discussion to date, but I think generally positive, Facebook - 236 folks are now following and a fair bit of excitement, and this forum. Only here has any discussion ensued pertaining to process of choosing a site. Clearly a few of you gentlemen have significant information and perhaps sentiments with which I was entirely unfamiliar when I queried a handful of folks about organizing something for 2020 so that we'd know there would be a 15th event.

I'd like to make my request of the moderators at this juncture to completely delete this thread so that you folks may start one of your own, or better yet...if possible, keep the thread with a new name but delete my posts as they don't seem to be relevant to the discussion.

My further request is that if this group of individuals feels that I've overstepped my bounds in coordinating a Nationals without proper authority I will gladly offer Rapid City as a suggestion for competition with other sites, or simply cancel what we've planned thus far outright, there is no harm done and no funds expended.

Just let me know before August 15th please so that I can let the hotel know that there may be no event, and I will further have any threads edited to insure the community knows that I miss stepped.

I was just trying to help, but I seem to have inadvertently brought to the surface a discussion I'd no idea had even existed. You all have my sincerest apologies if I'm to blame for any harm done.

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Rick it sounds like you have a lot of work done .Stick with it no one else has said they will do the work.
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Rick, hang in here, I know you have a lot of time and effort into 2020, this has just been a blip in the road, and much of this discussion should not be in this thread.

Let's see if this can get split into at least two threads, and we can get the stuff that is not pertinent to 2020 moved elsewhere.

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I am going to Rapid City. Hope you are there too. We will bring 12 or 15 from Colorado. :-)

Keep up the good work
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