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post #16 of 44 (permalink) Old 06-28-2018, 09:28 PM Thread Starter
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If YOU can pull together a group to compete for 2020 then make a proposal. There is plenty of time to have a conversation and go through our normal "voting" process.
I've been debating whether or not to address this suggestion primarily because I wasn't sure if it was intended to be taken literally. So, just in case...the planning for 2020 is well underway, in fact, in many respects the planning for 2020 is ahead of that for 2019. 2020 in Rapid City has a hotel contract signed, we have runs mapped, and the agenda is planned. My wife and I will be meeting with the hotel in person in August and we'll be running the roads. The team is assembled and the budget is all but planned. Consequently, I hope that no one is really planning to challenge the idea of going to Rapid City. And forgive me if I never should have taken Rob's comment literally. It kind of just scared me a bit.

There is also some misunderstanding that there might be a kind of on-going group now planning 2019 and 2020, that isn't really quite right. 2020 is being planned by Pacific Northwest Roadsters, yes, with some help from a few folks who've worked the recent events. I myself have been on the teams (at least as a run captain) from 2015 on with the exception of Kentucky.

Lastly, while this discussion is an interesting one...may I suggest that if a continuing dialog pertaining to choice of venue for future events beginning in 2021 is needed...could you guys start a thread on that subject please? I was kind of hoping to keep this thread to 2020 information I'd like to share with the community.

And a request to the moderators, would it be proper to make this into a "sticky" so folks can find it? And I'd guess the same for 2019 though I don't speak for that team.
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I'll chime in since my name was brought up by skersfan and in support of mysolst's comments.

Way back in the beginning of this group, we had a governing body that selected the NASSAM site. However, NASSOA eventually fell apart, and selection of a NASSAM location sort of fell to whoever was willing to take on the event. Rarely do we see competing proposed locations, and in the rare instances where we have, it has always resolved quickly and amicably. This method worked just fine though 2016 and again in 2018. However, in 2017, we faced the real possibility that there wouldn't be a NASSAM, but fortunately JohnWR stepped up and kept us on track. For 2019, we again faced the possibility that there wouldn't be a NASSAM, but someone reached out to several past NASSAM hosts and committee members and asked us to all work together to make the 2019 event happen. In the meantime, mysolst was already working on 2020 and he asked some (but not all) of the same people to help out with that event.

There is no group that is going to do all NASSAMs going forward. The partial overlap of staff between 2019 and 2020 is partly coincidence and partly because the people doing the work to make NASSAM happen, tend to wind up doing it over and over again. NASSAM requires hundreds of hours of organizational effort, fronting start up money, taking on financial risk, and recruiting other folks to come in and do all the necessary chores. The number of folks willing to do that is pretty limited, as is the number of people willing to do the various jobs (stuffing attendee bags, registration, run captain, sweep, fundraising, assisting vendors, and on and on). Most people want to come to NASSAM to have a good time without responsibility, and there is no problem with that. But that's why you see the same people over and over again running the events, because they are the ones willing to do the work. [As an example, 2019 and 2020 will be the 8th and 9th NASSAMs that I have worked on in one capacity or another, and I do it because I love this event and the people that show up].

In short, NASSAM doesn't happen so much because of where the majority of people want to go or where they "vote" to go, but because of where someone is willing to step up and do the work.

Planning and pulling off NASSAM is usually a two year endeavor. JohnWR worked on a short timeframe in 2017 and the 2019 committee is working under similar constraints. Mysolst is ahead of the game for 2020 and that bodes very well for the event. I think offering up a competing location at this time would be counterproductive given how far along mysolst is. However, whoever wants to step up for 2021 and subsequent years, get after it! I've heard rumblings about both Florida and California and I can't wait to see where we go next!

And just to clarify...I am not the host for 2019, I am just a committee member, but I happened to be the spokesman in Colorado. This is truly going to be a group effort. As for 2020, I am whatever mysolst wants me to be, just as he did for me in 2016.
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don't know where you get your information Rob....Ohio NEO's are very active in 2019 and I'm one of the lead people. Get your facts right before you make disparaging comments. Mark dashark was very active as webmaster for 2016,2017 and 2018 and ihawk was right there too. Oh and btw....one other NEO couldn't help for 2019 BECAUSE HE DIED ! I'll never get an apology from a guy like you
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I stated my observation.

You are overreacting.

You need to take a break and cool off before you make personal attacks.

This is not helping your cause. Dialog is healthy and has always happened.

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He (Tom) has NEVER helped with any NEO event !!! some people just bitch and moan
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with respect, this kind of attack is not helping your cause.

Some times its better to be silent and suck it up for the good of the team.
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Sooner is right. It's the same people all the time. I stepped up this time and formed a core of
people who had been organizers of previous NASSAM events (starting with ours in Canton)
You have to have a lot of dedication to do this (and yes there always will be a bit of infighting...it's part of the process)

I/WE chose a location that would draw the most attendees

Every year it's the same story...the whiners come out. "Why can't we have it here? What's wrong with XXX?"

but these same people have never volunteered to help a national, they just want it in their back yard!!!

I do not care if I piss anyone off today, because you have pissed me off with your childish whinings.

You want it in Canton....YOU make it happen.!! You want it west of the Mississippi...YOU make it happen!
You want it in LA or Chicago...YOU make it happen......otherwise STFU !!!
This thread needs to be closed and hidden away. Lets start over in a positive manner so we can have a civil discussion and make progress.

Stating what should be obvious, telling people to shut up is not going to attract attendees.

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Some people have certain talents, others not so much. Ones that offend people normally are not in the promotion side of business. All must understand that these things are a business venture, you need attendees and with out them, you fail in your mission. For me and a few friends, the door of going to New York keeps narrowing. Just recieved a text from a friend that the door has closed.

No I's in the word team, unfortunately this group seems to have a huge arrogant I in it. Here is hoping Sooner and Dave can make this happen in spite of some of their help.
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He (Tom) has NEVER helped with any NEO event !!! some people just bitch and moan
So "hoping" the 2020 NASSAM was in Canton and asking if the forums could "vote" on a NASSAM location was me bitching and moaning. Since 2008, I have been fighting for my life and my home due to a blood cancer Leukemia. Last summer, I spent over 150 days in the hospital which included 2 aggressive rounds of chemo and a bone marrow transplant and I have been out of work ever since. It works both ways. We exchanged phone numbers before I got sick so you have my number. I was NEVER asked to help in any way, shape or form.

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Couldn't agree with you more Rob. With all due respect Saturn Sky Dude, Rob is right, to have people step up and help put something on of this magnitude together is phenomenal. I don't know the answer to this, and if I'm wrong I'm very sorry, but did you help with the one in Canton 10 years ago? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just realistic. Sure we could have a poll and let's say Canton won, would there be anyone in Canton to step up and arrange everything. As I'm sure many people would attest, these events don't organize themselves

I agree it would be much closer for you but probably not for the next guy, take me for instance before I moved, I lived in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. According to "Google Maps", for me it was a 22 hour/ 1200 mile trip to go to Portland, for me to go to this years NASSM it was a 15 hour/900 mile trip, now that I'm living in Montreal it is only a 8 hour/360 mile trip. Still far enough but certainly much closer. For me this is the best option. If I was still living in Regina, Rapid City would make an incredible amount of sense for me. Months ago I had even told Rob I would come to Black Hawk when it was announced but in the meantime I had moved down east.

I know Robo mentioned before, that because the US and Canada for that matter is very large, maybe the thought of having more regional events has merit. I truly admire all the people who either drive or trailer their cars great distances to the NASSM events.


As I said I certainly mean no disrespect and am not trying to be argumentative, just my thoughts...……

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NO. I was finishing my chemo treatments from my bout with Leukemia, the first time I was diagnosed, and had to be cleared by my doctor to go to the event. Did you help with the 2010 NASSAM????


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I suggest you just do everything from now on. It is quite obvious no one is as qualified, knows anywhere enough to do these things. Personal oppinion here, "I"could not care less about you being mad. Just shut up and do what you said you would and quit whinning about it. Do you like those words, I hope not, because none of us like the crap you have been spreading.
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Carl, it appears that things are changing and possibly a group is truly being formed to run and operate these events. Non profit organizations can have employees, can bring in major sponsors and can put money away for future events. I hope that this is the plan, as it is just too much work for a single group to learn and do it every year.
I wish this was the case, but I don't see this happening again. Originally there was NASSOA (North American Solstice & Sky Owners Association, which was partially funded by General Motors, (Pontiac) and maybe a bit by Saturn. With the GM bankruptcy. and the dissolution of Pontiac and Saturn, the funding from the GM side evaporated. It was also partially funded by membership fees, and that part also dried up about the same time and for a bunch of reasons. The funds remaining were used for the Canton meeting in 2010.

Since then, each event has been hosted by a different group in a different location by Kappa owners that stepped forward when needed. I was peripherally involved with the Asheville effort, having independently reviewed and driven their runs while I was in the area. I haven't been involved with any other events until this recent stretch.

There is a core group of people that support these get togethers, almost regardless of where they occur. These same people are involved in supporting 2019 in New York. The Pacific Northwest Group, which put on the Portland meeting, appears to be behind the 2020 Rapid City event. There isn't a lot of crossover between these two groups.

That's about it as far as I can see down the road. I would love to see a national group emerge to take over the planning of these events, but I don't see any funding coming from the ranks to support it. Our kappa enthusiast groups are just too small. and too highly, regionally based.

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I suggest you just do everything from now on. It is quite obvious no one is as qualified, knows anywhere enough to do these things. Personal oppinion here, "I"could not care less about you being mad. Just shut up and do what you said you would and quit whinning about it. Do you like those words, I hope not, because none of us like the crap you have been spreading.
Amen, friend! We don't need these diatribes upsetting us. (At least it's in the 2020 pages and not the 2019 group! )



OK, everyone, let's move on, and get back on track!



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After 2010 a group of us discussed putting together a "Technical Services Group" that could work from home on an event anywhere in North America to help a local group host an event. The idea was to provide web services, vendor contacts, merchandise source recommendations, and procedural advice to a group so that they could focus on the local aspects of the event. I had hoped that 2011 in Lexington would provide the springboard for that group, mainly leveraging the knowledge gained during the 2010 event (although probably not most of the people who were quite burned-out by that time) but that never happened. Conversations after 2011 failed to generate any traction for a variety of reasons.

My belief, solidified by my experience last year, is that one or two motivated people can successfully plan and prepare for one of our NASSAMs in one year without excessive stress or effort. tarting more than a year in advance is really only necessary to ensure that the date is available at the chosen venue. I learned the hard way what I should have already known, that it takes more than four people, however motivated, to successfully execute that event without excessive stress and effort.

The hardest part of the planning and preparation is figuring out what you don't know. Given a pre-existing website design, tested and proven registration, payment, and merchandise ordering arrangements, reliable and experienced sources for merchandise, known contacts with major vendors, and a guide-book of what to look out for, the rest is really pretty easy, if somewhat time consuming on occasion. Any area that is going to host an NASSAM is going to already have a catalog of good runs and car activity destinations, and is going to have a suitable hotel and banquet complex. Having a TSG to provide the backbone needed to build the event around frees the organizers to sort out local vendors, schedules, and on-site assistance.

I still think the idea of the TSG is valid, and requires very little in the way of organization, but it is going to take the right group of people to set it up, and the right group of event organizers to actually take advantage of it. So, yeah, it will probably never happen.

Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
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Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
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