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post #61 of 70 (permalink) Old 02-03-2014, 09:03 AM
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Glad to see you finally got the message about Florida
Planning to be in nipples sometime mid February will give you a call
do the 732 number still work

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Recently went to VERA GM dealer to get my liquids topped off an oil change they came back and told me that I needed new belts because the car is old and I should replace the battery because the car is old anybody have any idea whether or not I'm getting a true story or they're hoping for business

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Recently went to VERA GM dealer to get my liquids topped off an oil change they came back and told me that I needed new belts because the car is old and I should replace the battery because the car is old anybody have any idea whether or not I'm getting a true story or they're hoping for business
If your battery is over 5 yrs old...change it whether you need it or not...I changed mine after 5 yrs. You got your monies worth...Regarding the serpentine belt...up North I would change mine at 100 thousand to be safe...but if u have your car in Fla...I do not know how the hot weather all year round effects the belt...you can always take a visual of the belt
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I have a pickup that's 12 years old and has 185k miles on it...still with the original serpentine belt and hoses.


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Recently went to VERA GM dealer to get my liquids topped off an oil change they came back and told me that I needed new belts because the car is old and I should replace the battery because the car is old anybody have any idea whether or not I'm getting a true story or they're hoping for business
Its routine for them to recommend work, especially if they can see the belt is worn and or damaged, they also have like 25 things they check, eye ball, check vin etc...work done, etc, brakes. What year is your Sky? I have an 07NA and batt died just past 6 years.. left wife stranded at chilis on dykes road & griffin. That was an adventure LOL.. I in fact went to Vera and bought a new battery there, went back and replaced it at chilis.... I would inspect the belt myself and make a decision, you can tell if any cracks visible etc, worn.. how many miles does your sky have?




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Recently went to VERA GM dealer to get my liquids topped off an oil change they came back and told me that I needed new belts because the car is old and I should replace the battery because the car is old anybody have any idea whether or not I'm getting a true story or they're hoping for business
From an unamed source found online

As a rule, serpentine belts can usually go 5 years or up to 50,000 miles or more before replacement becomes necessary. Many serpentine belts will go 70,000 to 80,000 miles or more without any problems. Serpentine belts made of EDPM (ethylyne propelen dyeen monomer) on most late model engines will last even longer, up to 100,000 miles or more

A second source offered this recommendation which is closer to my personal belief and experience.

Most hose manufacturers recommend replacing hoses every four years. V-belts should be replaced every three years or 36,000 miles. The incidence of failure rises sharply after the fourth year of service for hoses and third year for belts.

The lifespan of a typical serpentine belt is about five years or 50,000 miles. Serpentine belts are thinner and more flexible than V-belts. They run cooler and last longer, but cost about twice as much to replace.

The hard part is convincing customers to change belts and hoses as preventative maintenance BEFORE they fail. Few people do, yet they could save themselves a lot of unnecessary grief and expense if they would.


Rubber hoses deteriorate with age. Tiny cracks develop in the rubber which eventually cause hoses to split, blister or leak. Oil contamination and atmospheric ozone can accelerate the process.
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So I decided to go to a better source. Gates


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The Enemy Within
What you can't see can hurt you. That's what Gates engineers discovered during four years of field testing on fleet vehicles. In these tests, they identified the primary cause of coolant hose failure as an electrochemical attack on the rubber tube compound in the hose.
The phenomenon is known as electrochemical degradation, or ECD. It occurs because the hose, liquid coolant (ethylene glycol antifreeze and water), and the engine/radiator fittings form a galvanic cell or "battery." This chemical reaction causes microcracks in the hose tube, allowing the coolant to attack and weaken the hose reinforcement.

The "Squeeze Test"
The best way to check coolant hose for the effects of ECD is to squeeze the hose near the clamps or connectors using the following procedure:
Make sure the engine is cool.
Use fingers and thumb to check for weakness, not the whole hand.
Squeeze near the connectors. ECD occurs within two inches of the ends of the hose -- not in the middle

Check for any difference in the feel between the middle and ends of the hose. "Gaps," or "channels," can be felt along the length of the hose where it has been weakened by ECD.

If the ends are soft and feel mushy, chances are, the hose is under attack by ECD. To avoid breakdown of the cooling system, Gates engineers recommend replacing the hose immediately

Solving The Problem

ECD is evident in almost all cooling system hoses. The most severe damage occurs where the temperature is hottest and air is present with the coolant, which is why upper radiator hoses tend to fail first.
A replacement interval of four years for all coolant carrying hoses -- especially the upper radiator, bypass and heater hoses -- can help prevent unexpected failure from ECD. The incidence of hose failure increases sharply after four years for most vehicles.

Earlier hose replacement is recommended for fleet vehicles such as taxis, police cars and delivery vans that are subject to significant stop-and-go driving and the resulting high engine and coolant temperatures.

To address the damage caused by ECD, Gates developed an electrochemically-resistant coolant hose using a new EPDM (ethylene propylene rubber) formulation and special wrapped reinforcement. These new hoses are long-lasting with no ECD effect.

In addition to providing electrochemical resistance, the new EPDM hose offers improved performance characteristics over both standard rubber hose and much more expensive silicone hose.

In tough fleet tests, Gates hoses have gone 200,000 miles, and are still going, with no electrochemical damage. Standard hoses revealed damage and failures as early as 20,000 miles on the same fleet applications.
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Glad to see you finally got the message about Florida
Planning to be in nipples sometime mid February
Wow. Didn't realise it was still so cold in Florida

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Wow. Didn't realise it was still so cold in Florida
I am glad that you responded to that post because I was not going to touch them, . . . er . .. it.
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