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Sky Rollbar, has anyone done it?

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So basically I have been asked by Speed Ventures of CA to install a triangular rollbar in the sky to be able to participate in races at tracks like Laguna Seca, Chuckwalla Raceway Willow Springs etc for safety reasons. Has anyone here done a good rollbar setup in the Sky. It just seems difficult for me to imagine putting one in when there's alright no room in the car. If anyone can shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Hoping for some good responses. Thanks

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It's not going to happen unless you are willing to cut into the interior panels, the tulip panel and the rear trunk lid. If you are willing to do that, then, yes, it has been done.

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Some guy named Chris Nankoo, or something like that, has a company that has made a custom fibreglass hard top that replaces the rear deck lid, and convertible top with a single large fibreglass and lexan/polycarbonate type roof, that latches into the front windshield header, but can still open up clam-shell style to access the trunnk.

Would that satisfy the requirement?
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hmmmm, I'll call tomorrow and throw that at them to see what they say.


Found some video's on this dude RICED out ride. Not sure where the hell he got that roof top.



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Found this on the Internet.

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That type of bar definitely helps in lateral stiffness, but there's almost no way it would hold in a rollover. That's the point of a roll bar.
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Kenny has a roll bar. PM him and I bet he can give you a better idea what is involved:

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However If Kenny doesnt mind, im sure a few people would appreciate the info and pics if he was willing to provide some insight
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Carbon Black : Some guy named Chris Nankoo, or something like that, has a company that has made a custom fibreglass hard top that replaces the rear deck lid, and convertible top with a single large fibreglass and lexan/polycarbonate type roof, that latches into the front windshield header, but can still open up clam-shell style to access the trunnk.

Would that satisfy the requirement?
It depends on the sanctioning body, the tech inspectors, how much they know about the car, and, in some cases, how well you can lie.

SCCA, for example, does not classify removable tops the same as fixed tops. A convertible requires a roll bar.
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Kenny does not have a roll bar. He has a "style bar" that looks like a roll bar and is likely to fool someone who wants to be fooled. It does not contribute to safety, but may allow you to get on to the track.

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I know the people that did the series "Setup" on Speed channel put serious roll bars into the Solstices they used. Had to change out the seats, get a fiberglass top, and all. Even the nimblest of the drivers had to contort to get in and out. I think they rolled one at the end of season one (on purpose I think), and it looks like it held up, driver was not injured.

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Kenny does not have a roll bar. He has a "style bar" that looks like a roll bar and is likely to fool someone who wants to be fooled. It does not contribute to safety, but may allow you to get on to the track.
I apologize. I thought his was the real deal. I was un aware.
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Frictionfighter on the 'other' forum has a full roll bar in his drift Solstice, but he stripped out the interior and welded the cage to the floor and various other places, along with reinforcement plates. Not an easy job, and not suitable for a daily driver.

I'd post photo links, but all his photos seem to have been taken down.

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The Solstice book has detailed instructions on how to properly install a Roll Bar in our cars.

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This is not a DD, its a weekend play car. I really wanna run this thing at Laguna Seca.

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Before tearing your car apart and welding in a real roll cage, be sure to consult your local tracks tech rules. It would be a shame to weld a cage in your car and then find out something little makes it not pass tech.

Also most tracks only allow certain lapping sessions (with 'wave to pass' only) without a racing license. You cant just go out and race without taking the education course, physical exams, and passing everything with flying colors. (which kind of sucks) Its not cheap at all. Plus fire suits, shoes, helmets, gloves etc. All vary from track to track.

So please make the phone call before you start investing.
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40rty : This is not a DD, its a weekend play car. I really wanna run this thing at Laguna Seca.
Speed Ventures requires "substantial rollover protection" and specifically outlaws "vanity bars", so the RMR style bar is unlikely to pass their inspection. I did not see any specific design requirements, or reference to any other group's specifications, so there may be some latitude.

There was a guy, I know he posted pictures, but can't remember on which forum, who fitted a bar that SCCA let him use for lapping days. He heavily modified the rear cockpit enclosure, and it almost certainly kept him from moving the seats to their full-back positions. His didn't appear to really meet the full spec, but it was clearly close enough, since they let him run. Based on that I think that it would satisfy SV, but there is no good way to be sure. Absent a specification, a lot is left to the tech inspector to interpret.

It is possible to put a bar in a Kappa that would really function as rollover protection and that would satisfy SV, but if you want the car to be recreational-use friendly it is not going to meet all of SCCA's specs, so there will still be room for the SV tech inspector to reject it. It will have too many bends, will not pass the broomstick test, and will not have the right bracing. I think you could probably even get it homologated for SCCA, but it would be a lot of work.

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