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Yea but it no worse than what comes stock on other convertibles and they are allowed on a lot of tracks.

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Elff : ..... If that would allow me on the local NJ track, I'd be all over doing it.
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bradwp : Looks good. Doesn't look like it has a whole lot of fore and aft bracing, though. Not sure it would get past an anal track-day safety inspector.
From what I've read, NJ will pass just about anything that looks like it might be a roll bar, and that you are willing to state is a roll bar. Kind of refreshing actually, for a government to say "Its your life, do what you want."

I wouldn't do anything with a full harness, but assuming it is attached securely it at least shouldn't cause any additional harm.

There is someone on the forum running a NJ track with an RMR style bar, and this looks much better than that.

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That's good to know, I would really like to get out on the track. My Sky is setup awesome for it right now but I would like a something like the OP's setup. I am not a fan of the RMR Style bar, but that discussion has been beat to death. I've put a roll cage to the test and the cage combined with a 4 point harness kept me safe



Also, The cage and Purpose built front bumper with radiator hoop kept the damage to the jeep to a minimum



Nothing some BFH work couldn't smooth out.

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Who installed that for you?
And where and how is it tied in?
Not sure who installed the bar...the PO had it done. It looks prefabbed as it is bolted to the frame right behind the seats. Whoever installed it had to do some chopping to get it in. They did a pretty clean job. It may not offer much support but its better then not having it IMO.

The extra room would be nice but with the seat all the back to the bar I am very comfortable. I am no midget 5'8" but you tall folks wouldn't fit lol
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It used to be mine... she got repo'd after being unemployed for over a year. Im glad to see she found a nice home. Its thru bolted with 1/4" plates at the floor with 3 bolts per leg, and 2 brackets sandwiched at the seat belt retractor bolts. also bolted thru the rear bulkhead at the diagonal. it has a slight rear ward angle, so if somehow it collapses it "should" collapse away from the driver, never got to test that, lol. I fabbed it up at my previous job. also I am very short, most people wouldn't fit. I sold off some really nice modds before she left...had rpi exhaust and a red diamond stitched center console. that shift knob was a lot of custom work too. Congrats on the car. I still miss her.
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That's a shame. Hopefully your job situation has gotten better. Thanks for the clarification on the cage. That sounds like it is setup pretty good.

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2x4 roll bar seen today on highway near Worcester, MA...



At least it makes a good light bar.
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That's not too bad for a Light bar.
If he painted the wood black, you probably would not have noticed.

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haha, you fellas slammed that guy about his roll bar... but I agree... who makes a roll bar with no lateral supports. Cut up his handy dandy storage box for nothing, what a waste. lol
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Not aimed at the original poster, who simply advanced a question, but I do laugh when I see people who stick bars in their cars and then pronounce authoritatively that they 'are better than nothing' as if they were structural engineers.

I have discussed this issue with some fellow racers who do happen to be engineers and car builders, and they have told me that many of the gut feelings of laymen are way off the mark and that bars built to anything other than proper principals are often more dangerous than no bar at all.

Every time I see someone say "You can't tell me that my bar wouldn't be better than nothing at all!" I hope that someone else will jump in and tell them exactly that as I tire of these discussions, but am reluctant to leave it unsaid for fear that some newbie will search roll bars some day and see a thread ending without a caution on improperly built bars and will go off thinking they are safe with whatever they cobble together.

Of course, the question is often not 'What will save my life?', but 'What is the minimum I can do, even resorting to fooling the organizers, that will let me get out on that track?"

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wspohn : Not aimed at the original poster, who simply advanced a question, but I do laugh when I see people who stick bars in their cars and then pronounce authoritatively that they 'are better than nothing' as if they were structural engineers.

I have discussed this issue with some fellow racers who do happen to be engineers and car builders, and they have told me that many of the gut feelings of laymen are way off the mark and that bars built to anything other than proper principals are often more dangerous than no bar at all.

Every time I see someone say "You can't tell me that my bar wouldn't be better than nothing at all!" I hope that someone else will jump in and tell them exactly that as I tire of these discussions, but am reluctant to leave it unsaid for fear that some newbie will search roll bars some day and see a thread ending without a caution on improperly built bars and will go off thinking they are safe with whatever they cobble together.
Good points Bill. As an engineer I couldn't agree more.
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Of course, the question is often not 'What will save my life?', but 'What is the minimum I can do, even resorting to fooling the organizers, that will let me get out on that track?"
I think we have to look at this from another perspective. Every day we drive our cars on twisty back roads, frequently at supra-legal speeds. No roll bars, helmets or other safety gear is required. And we don't really worry about it. A lapping day at a track is, arguably, much safer than a high-speed run on the back roads, but we are required to have a roll bar (etc) to do it. Clearly it is mainly about liability for the track and event organizers, so there is an understandable level of frustration on the part of the person who just wants to go out and run the track. Wheel-to-wheel racing is an entirely different subject, by the way.

I believe that you should be allowed to do just about anything that doesn't endanger someone else, as long as you are willing to be responsible for the results of your own actions. You. Not the track. Not the organizers. Not your insurance company. Not society.

Don't want to wear a seat belt ? Fine. But be prepared to pay your own medical bills out of your own pocket if you crash.
Don't want to wear a motorcycle helmet ? Ditto.

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Good points Bill. As an engineer I couldn't agree more.

I believe that you should be allowed to do just about anything that doesn't endanger someone else, as long as you are willing to be responsible for the results of your own actions. You. Not the track. Not the organizers. Not your insurance company. Not society.
Unfortunately, John, we live in a world where risk has a tendency to shift to the person or company who has the deepest pocket, at least that's where the attorneys try to place the risk. This is why there are insurers, hired by the organizers and the tracks.

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DaveOC : Unfortunately, John, we live in a world where risk has a tendency to shift to the person or company who has the deepest pocket, at least that's where the attorneys try to place the risk. This is why there are insurers, hired by the organizers and the tracks.
Actually I think we live in a society, many of whose members believe that nothing is ever their own fault, and that someone should protect and care for them, no matter what happens. It is actually rather depressing.

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