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post #16 of 21 (permalink) Old 07-30-2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MidniteBlues View Post
THAT is great tip, I bet it also saves on wasting the product, especially from over spray...GREAT idea i will incorporate.. Or at least try it..

Yah, I found applying it with the spray bottle only works well in the middle of the top. Towards the edges, I tried using a foam paintbrush, and it worked great, and have used it since.

Here's a pic of what my top looks like every time it rains. After a while, the water will eventually seep in, but it always looks like this when it first starts raining. I apply 303 twice a year.

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As mentioned by others, there are a couple of concerns when treating the top.

The principal failure mode is exposure to sunlight which breaks down the fabric at the molecular level. UV protection is the first thing you should be looking for if you love your top.

Second is the rest of the environment. The canvas material is actually made up of several layers. One of the layers is nearly impervious to water. It is what keeps the water out of the car. Beading is an interesting and some would say attractive side effect of treating the top but the real reason you treat the top after UV and why you like beading is because another failure mode for the canvas is friction. If your canvas is exposed to a lot of fine dirt or worse rock dust, and that dirt / dust gets carried into the weave of the fabric, then it can act to mechanically damage the structural integrity of the canvas weave. The more you keep dust and dirt out of the weave, the less chance for mechanical wear.

This has been hashed out in the past

Here is what I was told by the guy who owns the company and made the canvas for out tops. We shared a telecom as well but I am not at liberty to share that with you.

"I got this response from Haartz

Hi Rob,

Thanks for contacting The Haartz Corporation.

In reply to your inquiry about the RaggTopp Cleaner and Protectant system, Haartz continuously studies the market and internally evaluates various products for performance. The below bullet points are a overview.

• Comparison testing according to proprietary internal Haartz soiling/cleaning methodology has shown Raggtopp to be among the best cleaners on the market.
• RaggTopp protectant has been shown to offer comparable spray rating performance when tested according to AATCC Test Method #22.
o The above has been achieved without the use of silicone in the protectant.
• The formulations of the RaggTopp cleaner and protectant have been shown to have no negative effects upon the long-term durability of the topcover. Both avoid the use of organic solvents that can damage the fabrics and combining layers between.
• RaggTopp cleaner & protectant have also been shown to have no negative effect upon materials adjacent to the convertible top (plastic/glass window, paint, etc.)

I hope that you find this information of value.

Best Regards,
Douglas Haartz

If you want to read the entire thread from 2007 here it is.

Draw your own conclusion. I have not dog in this race, but am interested that when people make a decision it is an informed decision.

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Another vote for Zaino, best products I've ever used!
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There are several products that are very good...The decision will be the users.. I will continue to use RaffTop probably, it'll depend on the price vs 303...AND the RT sealant comes in a spray can, which eliminates the use of a brush...I at least have the hand gun for it, still...doing it twice a year or more in my environment (South Florida heat, humidity and rain) I think is a must, especially being outside everyday, parked outside always, and a DD, my top takes a beating everyday IMO..
It can get expensive.. AND work!!!!

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Just purchased my '07 Sky in May. Absolutely love it. It is silver pearl with black top
and interior. I appreciate all the detail comments. Will purchase the Raggtop product.
I live in northern New Hampshire and do not have a garage at this time. Need all the
protection I can get. Any other advise will be appreciated. Thanks!
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