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Just put battery back in and remote door locks don't work

Yeah, this is Canada ... and this is my first good chance to bring Sky out of storage (from the cold winter).

So I put the car battery back in ... took off right front fender to do it. Bit of work, but it works.

Car started right up ... life is good, right?

It's all good except my key fobs don't operate anything any more
I've checked the batteries in my 2 fobs and they are fine. (replaced them anyway: 2032)

No trunk opening. No door lock/unlock.

I think I should check a fuse or something, but I don't know which fuse it might be.
Or maybe it's something else.

Anyone have any suggestions?

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You have a 2008, right?

I'll lay money that your Tire Pressures don't read out any more in the DIC, either.

Yes, I know what the problems is, but you might be less than happy, 'cos you'll have to pay a dealer to fix it

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Oh, sorry, you wanted to know the fix?

Read the TSB here: https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/...b-works-73760/
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TomatoSoup, thanks for the quick reply.

I will go check right away.

I just love taking my car to my dealer here. (sarcasm)

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TomatoSoup, you are right.

The tire pressures are all: --- ---

Now I've got no fobs or tpms working either.

So, I hope these dudes at my dealership will know what to do.

Maybe I'd better print out that Solstice forum article and take it with me?

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Yes. Print the text of the TSB and take it with you. If nothing else it will help them find it faster.
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This is the first time that the battery has been disconnected?
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I believe that short-term disconnects (like to replace a battery) are OK, but longer ones will cause the memory loss. Like maybe there is a capacitor in the module that will hold the memory for some length of time but not forever.

The re-flash doesn't just make it work again, it eliminates the problem.
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My local dealer tried to charge me to fix this as well. There was also an extended conversation about "We'll check it out and let you know what's wrong", even after I handed them a hard copy of the TSB.

"No. Just do what it says here. Nothing more."

I had to say it about six times before they agreed, with "...well if this doesn't fix it then it's not on us." snarky comment.

Taking my Sky to a dealer is among the most nerve-wracking and frustrating things I do with. Good luck OP.
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This is why it is so important to have a good repour with your dealership. I took mine in after my turbo install when my ECM failed. I handed them a second hand ECM I had bought and needed them to install it (well, not really but I could still drive the car so I had to have the original in the car to get it to the dealership) and then have them work their magic to have it work with my car.

The issue was, the stock 2.4 tune would never work well with the turbo setup. Mainly it was the injectors being 60# injectors rather than 24# injectors...nearly three times the fuel delivery. I told them that it wouldn't run right without me reflashing the new tune to it. They did their work then when they were done they called me into their service bay to drive the car out of the bay and reflash it in the parking lot (couldn't do it in the bay for liability reasons...I totally understand that). Flashed it, car ran fine.

Many dealerships wouldn't even touch a car like mine. My dealership even did warranty work on it AFTER the turbo was on the car. (The failure had nothing to do with the turbo install...AC condenser.)

It doesn't take you getting service done there to get in good with them. I get a lot of the OEM parts I need (bolts, fastners, etc.) from them so I'm always in talking to the service guys, sales people, and parts guys.


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The status quo here is that they are so busy with easy work at $150/hour that they have no interest and no need to be interested in anything else.

The local Saturn dealer had a Sky owner in the shop. He was great. When Saturn imploded I started going to Lee Johnson Chevrolet. Three trips for intermittent CEL and limp mode and all they managed to do was destroy my fenders. After I drove it there in limp mode for the third time only to have them stare at the computer screen and tell me "Nothing is wrong" I gave up and eventually fixed it myself. It turned out to just be an intermittent loose connection in the 3 bar MAP sensor splice for the GMPP upgrade.

Michael's Chevrolet is where it went for the ignition switch failure (before the recall) and the "no-battery lost my mind" fob issue. In both cases they tried to charge me and I had to turn into an a-hole to be treated reasonably. They also told me they were ordering the passenger airbag sensor parts for the car and would call when they arrived...about three years ago. Still waiting for the call.

Dealer service around here is expensive and not, in my experience, very good. All they seem to know how to do is plug the car in, look at the computer screen, and do what it tells them to do...if anything. And of course, it's all done at book time; nothing is done on actual time. My last dealer oil change (on my 2005 4Runner) was $87. Same place (Michael's Toyota) quoted me around $100 to make a fob ($10 on Amazon and five minutes to program) and about $300 to make a key.

So I've been doing more and more of my own work, or taking the cars to a trusted friend and mechanic an hour away.
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Sly Bob, Nope. I take it out every autumn when I put the car into storage.

I have never had this problem until now.
I just got back from the dealer. I have to take it back in tomorrow when they will 'reflash' a module.

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Is it the ECM or BCM that they reflash to fix the locks/tpms etc? If the ECM, does the reflash wipe out any aftermarket performance program one might have installed?
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Is it the ECM or BCM that they reflash to fix the locks/tpms etc? If the ECM, does the reflash wipe out any aftermarket performance program one might have installed?
My understanding is that they are reprogramming the RCDLR (Remote Control Door Lock Receiver).

See attachment for details:



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File Type: pdf TSB_08-03-16-001B_TPMS-Remote_Learning_Issues.pdf (149.9 KB, 11 views)

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DaveOC, you are correct.

I took it to the dealer a couple hours ago and they thought they couldn't do this 'reprogramming' today.

So I am to take it in tomorrow morning.

When I showed them the article from the Solstice forum, they agreed that was what had to be done.

The article in Solstice forum is the same wording as in the PDF you supplied.

Thanks for that BTW.

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And Taz, I don't have any aftermarket performance programming done. Thanks for thinking of that tho.

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