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06-30-2019 10:02 AM
The_Ghost (55) is the tech number on your receipt. Looks like they use the ADP or DealerTrack DMS (Dealership Management System) system for writing and those are a bit more cryptic to decipher. A little less customer friendly if you will.... They did 1 of 2 things for billing out the labor:

1. Used a "hourly" tech to do the work, which I don't think happened, but you never know as these are usually your less experienced techs
2. Had to play with the labor time to get the bill where it was supposed to be (either by adding money or taking it away to match the "estimate")

So, most will do #2 . However, IMSMC book labor time from GM is about 14.8hrs or 16.8hr, I can't remember, for a timing chain. You said they were an even $100/hr. Most of the time they will add to the cost of labor. If you would like, I can definitely get you confirmation on what book time is for a timing chain. But at any rate (no pun intended), it's fixed.
06-28-2019 06:46 PM
Z06-Redline Tony, take a deep breath and relax. There are no "shavings" running around in your oil. The sprockets are wore down from 115,000 miles on the engine. As the sprockets wear down there are microscopic pieces of metal that wear away and are trapped in the oil filter.

If you have ever used a magnetic oil drain plug you will know what I'm talking about. It is almost like a fine dust that accumulates on the magnetic drain plug. You are good to go.

Larry
06-27-2019 01:04 PM
TonyRedline I have no idea what (55) means but with it on the same line as the labor you would think it was the amount of hours. Like you guys said though that doesn't add up. They told me they charged 100 per hour.

During this break in period I've only took it to 5k rpms one time and that was at high speed. I haven't gotten down on it from a dead start yep. Car is running great and no more codes. I'm going to change the oil and filter this weekend. After draining the oil I'm going to take a magnet to it to see if there are any shavings. Any other recommendations you all can think of?

Greatly Appreciated!
06-26-2019 06:31 PM
TomatoSoup
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Originally Posted by Robotech View Post
I have to just be reading it wrong...I think I got the labor price right but wrong hours.
No, I read it the same as you. I guess the "(55)" was actually nothing to do with hours.
06-26-2019 03:43 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by TomatoSoup View Post
That's an odd amount. Only equates to $29/hour??
I have to just be reading it wrong...I think I got the labor price right but wrong hours.
06-25-2019 11:00 PM
TomatoSoup
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Dang, 55 hours and $1,600 in labor.
That's an odd amount. Only equates to $29/hour??
06-25-2019 04:01 PM
Robotech Dang, 55 hours and $1,600 in labor.

But yes, two chains...well, one chain and one timing chain package which has all the parts for a proper timing chain replacement like the guides, tensioners and bolts as well as the chain.
06-25-2019 02:29 PM
TonyRedline Here is the break down of the work and the charge. I only see chain on there 2 times like Robotech and The_Ghost mentioned it should be.
06-25-2019 11:06 AM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by The_Ghost View Post
Actually Robo, I had a buddy (former tech) come over and I was at the final stages of tearing into it. So the front portion. He took one look at it and told me to put it back together and get it out to his house. He has a lift and and he said he'd work on it without me there!! BONUS!! So I put it back together. I haven't gone out there with it yet, still waiting on insurance and my plate.

As far as instructions, I have the GM shop instructions and there is nothing that states about removing the fan or radiator. I can tell you, if you are doing it without a hoist and time is of no issue, draining the coolant, removing the upper radiator hose and the fan and shroud is highly recommended!! There are like 5 wiring harnesses that run in front too that you have to figure out how to move...they're a pain in the arse.

It's not that I couldn't do it, I just don't have the patience....lol... I'm a hurry up and get it done kinda guy.
LOL I have the book too but since the engine I'm working on is OUT of the car I'm using that section of the manual instead...which still kind of impresses me that they have a separate "How to tear the engine down in the car" section and a "How to tear the engine down out of the car" section in the service manual.

It looks fairly nightmarish to do it in the car...and like you I'm a hurry up and get it done kind of guy. LOL That's why this step wait step wait assembly path I'm on is making me mental. LOL
06-24-2019 07:59 PM
The_Ghost
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Originally Posted by Robotech View Post
Ghost, I just did my first timing chain (picture above and I think I still need to take up that slack between the cam sprockets) but doing it outside the engine bay is cake. How much more difficulty does having it in the engine bay add to the task? Is removing the radiator recommended or can you do it with the radiator still in place? Looks like there is room in there to do it but it seems like it could get snug in a hurry.
Actually Robo, I had a buddy (former tech) come over and I was at the final stages of tearing into it. So the front portion. He took one look at it and told me to put it back together and get it out to his house. He has a lift and and he said he'd work on it without me there!! BONUS!! So I put it back together. I haven't gone out there with it yet, still waiting on insurance and my plate.

As far as instructions, I have the GM shop instructions and there is nothing that states about removing the fan or radiator. I can tell you, if you are doing it without a hoist and time is of no issue, draining the coolant, removing the upper radiator hose and the fan and shroud is highly recommended!! There are like 5 wiring harnesses that run in front too that you have to figure out how to move...they're a pain in the arse.

It's not that I couldn't do it, I just don't have the patience....lol... I'm a hurry up and get it done kinda guy.
06-24-2019 11:58 AM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by The_Ghost View Post
Well...if they told you 3, I'd be skeptical. There are only 2 as I stated above, a timing chain and a balancer chain. The balancer runs the WP, the timing just runs the camshafts. Make sure your paperwork says 2 and not 3...
I was thinking the same thing...3 chains????
06-24-2019 11:44 AM
The_Ghost Well...if they told you 3, I'd be skeptical. There are only 2 as I stated above, a timing chain and a balancer chain. The balancer runs the WP, the timing just runs the camshafts. Make sure your paperwork says 2 and not 3...
06-24-2019 10:52 AM
TonyRedline
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Originally Posted by The_Ghost View Post
I will answer this portion. Chances are, there wasn't enough of an "issue" to set the code yet. These sensors are oil driven. My guess is, you just found out where some of your metal shavings went, if there were any. But I wouldn't be too concerned with metal shavings. All motors have shavings to an extent. If you have a 115k on it, I wouldn't worry too much.

And to make a statement about doing the timing chain....A timing chain here in Detroit $2500-$3000 on these cars at the dealership. If I do it, I can replace balancer chain, balancer sprockets, all guides, timing chain (basically a kit for balancer and timing), WP, and 4 new coils, about $500. A new long block LDK from ZZP with a turbo....$2499. Which way am I going if a dealer has to do the work???? Choice is simple if I don't do the timing chain myself...
Service Tech told me "I forgot to mention before now" that they changed out 3 chains one of them being the timing chain. I have the brake down of the bill and work done in my car "Not driving it today because of the rain" I'll snap a picture of it and post it here soon.
06-24-2019 10:45 AM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by The_Ghost View Post
And to make a statement about doing the timing chain....A timing chain here in Detroit $2500-$3000 on these cars at the dealership. If I do it, I can replace balancer chain, balancer sprockets, all guides, timing chain (basically a kit for balancer and timing), WP, and 4 new coils, about $500. A new long block LDK from ZZP with a turbo....$2499. Which way am I going if a dealer has to do the work???? Choice is simple if I don't do the timing chain myself...
Ghost, I just did my first timing chain (picture above and I think I still need to take up that slack between the cam sprockets) but doing it outside the engine bay is cake. How much more difficulty does having it in the engine bay add to the task? Is removing the radiator recommended or can you do it with the radiator still in place? Looks like there is room in there to do it but it seems like it could get snug in a hurry.
06-22-2019 02:26 PM
The_Ghost
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Originally Posted by LAC Sky View Post
T

How did the dealership miss this code before handing the car back to you?
LAC
I will answer this portion. Chances are, there wasn't enough of an "issue" to set the code yet. These sensors are oil driven. My guess is, you just found out where some of your metal shavings went, if there were any. But I wouldn't be too concerned with metal shavings. All motors have shavings to an extent. If you have a 115k on it, I wouldn't worry too much.

And to make a statement about doing the timing chain....A timing chain here in Detroit $2500-$3000 on these cars at the dealership. If I do it, I can replace balancer chain, balancer sprockets, all guides, timing chain (basically a kit for balancer and timing), WP, and 4 new coils, about $500. A new long block LDK from ZZP with a turbo....$2499. Which way am I going if a dealer has to do the work???? Choice is simple if I don't do the timing chain myself...
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