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02-18-2019 02:27 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by ZPM View Post
New stickers!
I know this is utterly off topic but I am totally floored to know there is ANOTHER sky with the Robotech/RDF kite on it! LOL Love the VT silhouette too.
02-18-2019 02:23 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by Black Sheep View Post
Not sure but wouldn't you get this same issue on a dino pull?
I did get this error when I was dyno tuning my car. As soon as i started driving the CEL cleared.
02-17-2019 11:31 AM
ZPM New stickers!

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That is exactly what it is. The VAL was something else...to which I cannot remember what the acronym stood for...but I think I'm going to revise it to represent Valkyrie as I do like that...and Guardian was, by far, my favorite "mode" of the Veritech fighter.

My plate kind of reflects it too. Remember after Rick made Admiral, Max took over Skull squadron. Note Max is blue? My Sportster just got her tank painted red and is named...you guessed it...Mirya (Milia was her name in Macross, the original Japanese TV show used for 1st Gen Robotech).
02-05-2019 01:03 PM
JohnWR
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Originally Posted by Black Sheep View Post
Not sure but wouldn't you get this same issue on a dino pull?
I expect so, unless you turn it off.
02-05-2019 12:46 PM
Black Sheep Not sure but wouldn't you get this same issue on a dino pull?
02-05-2019 12:21 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by ZPM View Post
Robotech, is you're car's name a nod to Max Sterling? I liked Milia Sterling (Fallyna Jenius). Awesome long green hair! Of course Dana Sterling rocked the second show!

Your prior car V.A.L., Valkyrie? Those were supercool in guardian mode.
That is exactly what it is. The VAL was something else...to which I cannot remember what the acronym stood for...but I think I'm going to revise it to represent Valkyrie as I do like that...and Guardian was, by far, my favorite "mode" of the Veritech fighter.

My plate kind of reflects it too. Remember after Rick made Admiral, Max took over Skull squadron. Note Max is blue? My Sportster just got her tank painted red and is named...you guessed it...Mirya (Milia was her name in Macross, the original Japanese TV show used for 1st Gen Robotech).
02-04-2019 06:27 PM
ZPM Thanks guys! It makes sense that we're not setup to get unstuck. By contrast, the BMW's literature specifically talks about their traction control helping you get unstuck. Just a different target audience between the two cars.

Robotech, is you're car's name a nod to Max Sterling? I liked Milia Sterling (Fallyna Jenius). Awesome long green hair! Of course Dana Sterling rocked the second show!

Your prior car V.A.L., Valkyrie? Those were supercool in guardian mode.
02-04-2019 05:36 PM
Robotech
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My thought is that the system is designed to keep you stable while moving, and the possibility that you are trying to get un-stuck was overlooked. I have never tested mine under those conditions, so I can't say what it does. You could try a similar test while moving to see if the system activaes without errors.

My thought is that the sensors are OK because I think you would get ABS faults if they were bad.
That's been my experience. With the front tires stopped and the rears spinning, the TC system thinks there is a problem with the front sensors since they are receiving no data (or what they think is no data). If you had a bad wheel sensor, you'd be getting ABS errors too.
02-04-2019 04:52 PM
JohnWR My thought is that the system is designed to keep you stable while moving, and the possibility that you are trying to get un-stuck was overlooked. I have never tested mine under those conditions, so I can't say what it does. You could try a similar test while moving to see if the system activaes without errors.

My thought is that the sensors are OK because I think you would get ABS faults if they were bad.
02-04-2019 04:42 PM
ZPM Thread revival!

I parked pointed uphill with the front wheels looking at a big speed bump. When I went to leave it was raining heavily and the bump became a chock against the front wheels. Traction control is still new to me so I decided to see what it'd do if I tried to get over the bump. As I applied more throttle the rears increased spin until I hit 1500 RPM regardless of more throttle. However, a second or two after hitting the floor, I got DTC's set, traction control turned off, "service traction control ESC" appeared, and the rears quickly spun up to over 3000 RPM before I got off the gas. That was a surprise because being stuck and someone flooring it should be the condition where traction control is really needed. My girlfriend is someone who will do this, for example.

The codes turned out to be left front and right front wheel speed sensor failure. Makes sense that traction control can't operate without those as inputs but zero speed, low traction, and full throttle seems to be the obvious case where wheelspin needs limiting. I cleared the codes, restarted, and everything was back to normal. So, I repeated this test twice with the same results.

I tried this with my girlfriends BMW 335i and got expected results. RPM is limited to about 1500 and you can floor it indefinitely without that changing. Sounds like an overlooked use case on the Sky. Admittedly it's an odd test case, but not if you're stuck in the mud, so it should have been worked out.

Anyone have any idea why our cars, or at least my car, would behave this way? Unlikely, but possible that both my front sensors are bad? Or, maybe this has been addressed in an update and I need to perform service programming on the module.
03-22-2007 05:11 PM
CRACKTHESKY
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Did your warning remain on after turning off your car and turning it back on? If it remains on, then I'd suggest you take it to the dealer asap.
Stayed on, would not reset, going in for service.
I'm getting awful familiar with the roads between my house and the dealership. 650 total miles---120 of those spent going back and forth to dealer. Hopefully all the bugs will be worked out very soon, Looks like a top down weekend here in Maryland.
03-22-2007 02:28 PM
akinmb wow.....thanks for all the info and clarifying any misconceptions I had. It really is appreciated.
03-22-2007 01:31 PM
SKY Spy
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Originally Posted by CRACKTHESKY View Post
Perfect timing for this thread.
This morning I was making a rather quick start and suddenly I heard a warning ding. Readout said ESC OFF then flashed SERVICE ESC. I was in normal mode (not competition). Do I need to take it in for service or can I simply hit the reset button?

Also, any idea why this happened?
When my RedLine had like 25 miles, I got the "SERVICE ESC" light; I just turned the car off and back on again... I have not seen it since...

Thanks to Daywalker for "learning me up" on the FULL OFF procedure!!! i will try it and enjoy it to the fullest...

I had tried to do a power slide coming off my work's entrance and everytime, even though I was in Competitive Mode, it "shut me down" and I saw the ESC Active on the DIC and I was puzzled since I thought ESC would be OFF in that mode... Oh well... I know now!!!

Regards,

BA...
03-22-2007 01:28 PM
Antonio I had a similar situation. I was in some "spirited driving" and heard the same ding and ESC OFF followed by SERVICE ESC. I immediately pulled over and tried the traction control button.......nothing. I turned the car off, and then turned it on again, and everything was fine. About 2 weeks ago, my car was in service for something completely unrelated, and when they gave me a small update during the week, they said they were also waiting for a new Body Control Module. I didn't question it since it's no charge to me, but I was kinda surprised to hear them say that since none of the reasons I brought it in for would suggest changing that.........other than that little SERVICE ESC moment. Well, in any case, I'd suggest just taking it to the dealer and tell them what happened. It's an easy fix if it's the same Body Control Module that I had.

Did your warning remain on after turning off your car and turning it back on? If it remains on, then I'd suggest you take it to the dealer asap.
03-22-2007 01:15 PM
CRACKTHESKY Perfect timing for this thread.
This morning I was making a rather quick start and suddenly I heard a warning ding. Readout said ESC OFF then flashed SERVICE ESC. I was in normal mode (not competition). Do I need to take it in for service or can I simply hit the reset button?

Also, any idea why this happened?
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