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04-11-2019 08:43 PM
marlboromike
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Originally Posted by Rob the Elder View Post
Our side skirts are molded to the body permanently. I have some minor rock dents which I am having repaired and then protected with clear bra.

I am confused about the 3M clear bra. The major market for this material is the US where millions of cars are added to the inventory annually. If it is not configured to provide reasonable service and be compatible with factory paint I cant understand why 3M would make that investment.

I have had paint lift when removing clear bra from the Dragon, but that was before I learned how important that heat was to the removal process. Once I allowed the car to sit in the sun for a couple of hours and heat up the adhesive, it came off well with no issues and no paint lift.
There is new protection called X-PEL....supposed to be better than a 3M bra...they use it on Mercedes down here.
04-11-2019 12:44 PM
Rob the Elder Our side skirts are molded to the body permanently. I have some minor rock dents which I am having repaired and then protected with clear bra.

I am confused about the 3M clear bra. The major market for this material is the US where millions of cars are added to the inventory annually. If it is not configured to provide reasonable service and be compatible with factory paint I cant understand why 3M would make that investment.

I have had paint lift when removing clear bra from the Dragon, but that was before I learned how important that heat was to the removal process. Once I allowed the car to sit in the sun for a couple of hours and heat up the adhesive, it came off well with no issues and no paint lift.
04-11-2019 12:37 PM
Rob the Elder Last time I checked none of the exterior body panels will fit on the other car. The Sky is wider and has different curves.
04-09-2019 03:54 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by mtdjohn2018 View Post
Skersfan,

I was looking at Norm's website and he has some really interesting things there. Do you know if the fenders are dimensionally interchangeable between the sky and solstice? I like the style of one of the Solstice fenders he has on his site.
I believe they are but the issue is the OEM doorline of both cars. The Solstice has smooth doors...the Sky has a body line for the body line that starts at our side vents in the fenders and runs back into the mid section of the door. It might look a bit funky on a Solstice without that line.
04-09-2019 02:37 PM
skersfan I have a set of stock sky and Solstice fenders. But are in two different places. Will try to remember to check and see. My guess is that they are the same, but who knows with a Kappa. I am sure if you called Norm he could tell you very quickly.
04-09-2019 01:55 PM
mtdjohn2018
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Norm's fiberglass. He does extremely good work.
Skersfan,

I was looking at Norm's website and he has some really interesting things there. Do you know if the fenders are dimensionally interchangeable between the sky and solstice? I like the style of one of the Solstice fenders he has on his site.
04-09-2019 12:01 PM
skersfan Norm's fiberglass. He does extremely good work.
04-09-2019 08:26 AM
mtdjohn2018
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That was done in less than 1000 miles, but the idea of the skirts has protected the quarter panels. So I am half way there I guess.
Where did you get the skirts? I love those!
04-08-2019 08:08 PM
skersfan That was done in less than 1000 miles, but the idea of the skirts has protected the quarter panels. So I am half way there I guess.
04-08-2019 02:17 PM
skersfan No unfortunately it is not. He is a world class wrapper. Travels the world giving classes in wrapping cars. He wrapped my green car, has done several of my race trucks, just did my FJ. I have known him for 20 years. He says that the paint is not a good enough quality to do it, most American cars fall into that category. I have tried time and again, but he simply will not do it for me, or anyone else. His comment, he can not take the chance on it anymore. Has had several problems with it.

I am sure I can get the lower part wrapped, but not with the heavy duty clear. He has wrapped the yellow car's hood, lower cowl, the windshield frame, and the rear deck and bumper. I am going 5 on years now and it still looks new. Best Paint winner at the Colorado National.

I think the RE 71's are the real problem. I had a few rock chips prior, but once I put them on, it was like strapping a sand blaster to the front wheels. I have to figure something out. I will take some pictures today.

To install a wrap properly it takes a very high heat, he uses one of those hand held torches. Maybe it adheres to well. He says the quality is fantastic, but it is just too strong. Had one a couple of years ago, not a Kappa, but GM product, Camaro I think, that pulled the paint off setting in the shop overnight. That was the end for him.

I am taking my FJ to him tomorrow, will ask again about it. But with the fender skirts/side panels from norm it adds alot more bends, then would have to have the car painted and set for 30 days before he would put the clear on it. Paint has to dry from inside out. He is a perfectionist no doubt.
04-08-2019 02:03 PM
JohnWR He is the only person that I have heard that from. A number of people have removed the film from the deck lid without incident, and I would expect the paint in both locations to be equivalent.

One key point is to always heat the film when removing it, so the comment could be about what happens if you try to pull it off cold.
04-08-2019 01:51 PM
mtdjohn2018
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Originally Posted by skersfan View Post
I will check with Rick on the protective ability on vinyl. Thickness and the like. He won't put the new 3M stuff on my car. Says our paint is not good enough and it will cause problems, either by pulling the paint off initially, or for certain when you take it off. That is the reason I have not tried it. I do want to put it in front of the rear wheel, but don't like the look as it gets older. Have it on my Canyon and it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I have more rock chips in my Sky in less than a year than I have in my FJ that I have seriously off roaded for 12 years.
I was just getting ready to put the 3M protective vinyl on my car when I read skersfan's comments that his guy told him regarding the paint coming off. Has anyone else had any bad experiences using this on their cars? I would like to try it but now I'm a little concerned about pulling my paint off.
04-08-2019 12:07 PM
MattM Guys with black cars should swear by Dr. Colorchip. My area in front of my rear wheels was turning white it had so many chips. I got Dr. Colorchip that not only fills in the low spots but buffs in to match the paint and it looks a thousand times better!
04-08-2019 09:37 AM
Robotech Yea, the guy that repainted my car didn't put flex agent in the bumper paint and didn't prep it very well. I have horrible rock chips and bubbles (Rocks hit the paint and the clear bubbles but doesn't chip off) all over it. grrrrr… Will have to repaint the bumper and reapply the graphics someday.

Want the engine in first.
04-07-2019 08:50 PM
skersfan I will check with Rick on the protective ability on vinyl. Thickness and the like. He won't put the new 3M stuff on my car. Says our paint is not good enough and it will cause problems, either by pulling the paint off initially, or for certain when you take it off. That is the reason I have not tried it. I do want to put it in front of the rear wheel, but don't like the look as it gets older. Have it on my Canyon and it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I have more rock chips in my Sky in less than a year than I have in my FJ that I have seriously off roaded for 12 years.
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