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04-11-2019 12:29 PM
Rob the Elder For what its worth, there was a thread or two on this subject back in the day. the GM chassis engineers said it was not needed. I have the DDM V brace. (V + 8)
04-07-2019 08:55 PM
skersfan Here is mine, going to order one of Dave's and have it done in Hot Pink for the other half.

I drive them back to and never felt a bit of difference with the Venom Brace, but did when I took it off and put on the Tower Brace. It seemed to push the opposite wheel down in corners. Not a race car driver, but for me seat of the pants it wasn't even close.
04-07-2019 07:36 PM
Robotech
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Originally Posted by TomatoSoup View Post

Does this Werks version require the power-steering reservoir relocation?
Per their website, no it will not.
04-07-2019 06:30 PM
wspohn Yeah, but we need two readings - with LV brace only and with the 'bridge truss gone crazy" (I refuse to call it a strut brace) version, to see which has the most effect.
04-07-2019 06:23 PM
TomatoSoup
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Originally Posted by wspohn View Post
I stand to be corrected if anyone tests both options and posts actual measured torsional stiffness figures.
DDM Dave did post some 'semi-scientific' stiffness reports when they brought theirs out (they called theirs a "cross-bay brace"). They jack the corner of the car with and without the brace and reported much lower deflection with the tower brace in place. I did notice the front was stiffer, less cowl shake, but not sure it resulted in much in the was of better 'road-feel'. Not nearly as much as with the probeam/backbone braces when they went on, which was very noticeable.

Does this Werks version require the power-steering reservoir relocation?
04-07-2019 01:57 PM
wspohn To me this is really an appearance, not a performance option. If you like the racy look, go for it while realizing that it will make servicing even more of a PITA. For performance, until I see actual data to the contrary, I expect that the Venom brace will do about the same thing for chassis stiffness without either getting in the way nor making the engine bay ugly.

I stand to be corrected if anyone tests both options and posts actual measured torsional stiffness figures.
04-07-2019 10:44 AM
44thSKY
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Originally Posted by Emmett View Post
I can't find it

Performance Autowerks
Use from the topic of Robo's post, these words in the PAW website search feature; "Front Strut Tower Brace". That will take you there.
04-07-2019 02:28 AM
Emmett I can't find it

Performance Autowerks
04-06-2019 01:03 PM
skersfan I have the other manufacturers system on my Yellow car, Venom brace on the green car. I prefer the tower brace. I drive them back to back, and for me personally think the tower brace actually does help.

I will be ordering one of these this afternoon. Trying to decide on the color, not much goes with the Uglyrock, eh I mean Bluestone color. I may just order it plain and have it powdercoated myself. That way nothing under my hood will have the three letter logo on it.

If this one is truly riveted, will remove them and put bolts in.
04-06-2019 12:53 PM
Robotech
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@Robotech Really? We don't have struts, or strut towers. How can we have a strut tower brace?
Dave Gilbert's words, not mine. LOL
04-06-2019 12:33 PM
DaveOC
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Originally Posted by JohnWR View Post
@Robotech Really? We don't have struts, or strut towers. How can we have a strut tower brace?
How about "Shock Tower Brace"?



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04-06-2019 11:42 AM
JohnWR @Robotech Really? We don't have struts, or strut towers. How can we have a strut tower brace?
04-06-2019 09:08 AM
TomatoSoup
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Originally Posted by LAC Sky View Post
I always wonder about clearance issues under the hood liner. I am sure this has been checked, but what if any are... long term effects on the liner or hood?
Each car is different, just because it works for this car, does not mean it will work so good on your car.
Fit and finish adjustments before you slam your hood down. The frustration factor kicks in, or that was easy as hell to install weekend warrior style, with no issues ever with rubbing the liner.
I have the DDM production one (steel) and it does rub the hood liner a little. Interestingly DDM had originally made theirs with an aluminum crossbar too, but bar some prototypes, they didn't make production. I don't know why, may have been cost, may have been clearance again (the steel ones have some fitment cutouts to lower the height).

Still, nice to see another of this type available again. It really does look cool.
04-06-2019 07:57 AM
SaturnSkyRedline2015 How easy/difficult will this be to install/remove. I see that it does not relocate the power steering reservoir, covers up access to the coil pack and to the main coolant junction. So it would need to be removed any of that servicing was done.

It’s a thin piece, but assuming it doesn’t interfere with the DDM coil cover plate?

Might be easier if the “pop rivets” holding the arms to the cross brace were bolts/nut or nicer looking hardware that was removable.

Lastly, will this fit the deeper fiberglass hoods, like Norm’s Viper hood, which had drip tras that may already occupy some of this real estate
04-06-2019 07:27 AM
LAC Sky Sharp looking piece, well constructed, fits the engine bay nicely, and looks like it belongs there from the factory.
Provides support and stabilizes the flex and roll to the front suspension.
The engine weight, suspension travel, steering/braking under certain conditions gains over not having one, is up to the owner.
The cost for this product is again an owner option here.

Engine bling, car show attraction, or track day benefits as after market products continue for our model. One vendor discontinues it's version of the tower brace, another vendor picks up potential customers by introducing their version?

IF you have powder coated engine spaces, valve cover, IC pipes, air intake tube, fuse block cover, etc. I agree with Robo/skersfan that a coordinating color scheme same as your car color for this part.

IF your not in to the powder coated look, old school look of chrome/alum/mag/ brushed nickel plating could be an option here?
Plastic-Dip in your color of choice or...racing/vendor/products used on your car decal location for your engine modifications?

I did get to see the DDM version of this tower brace at the Nationals in Lexington. First time I had seen one on our cars up close. Looked cool and has some benefits but each owner will have different results or reactions, pro or con here.
I checked some of my photos from the event, only one car had this brace.
Not something you see everyday, however at car shows you might see more of them in other engine bay spaces?

I always wonder about clearance issues under the hood liner. I am sure this has been checked, but what if any are... long term effects on the liner or hood?
Each car is different, just because it works for this car, does not mean it will work so good on your car.
Fit and finish adjustments before you slam your hood down. The frustration factor kicks in, or that was easy as hell to install weekend warrior style, with no issues ever with rubbing the liner.

I was about to make a run down to Summit Point in the next few hours,.. however the weather is not all that great right now. Top down is out of the question, right now but there is always tomorrow for a run to see the guys at Turn 5. Cabin fever has caught up with LAC.

Nice cruise maybe.. looks out window checks weather updates,... see some friends, some racing action, beer & dog, kick back for a few hours, then bring my baby back home, IF... the weather improves, I'm outta here... Vroom Vroom baby.. the Miata drone of 40 cars never gets old. Well yes it does.. but I have put up with it for 30 years, what's another season worth.

A GT 1 SCCA National event is in 3 weeks at the Point. It better be...top down driving weather by then. Safe travels out there gang...

LAC
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