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02-24-2008 04:51 PM
Bogie
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Originally Posted by dengel View Post
The Solstice Targa is a hardtop coupe version of the Solstice with a "targa" top, similar to T-tops, scheduled for release in 2009 I believe. Targa is a very popular roof style seen in various sports cars, such as Porsche, Corvette, Camaro, etc.



There are a number of Solstice enthusiasts who have been hoping for a coupe version of the Solstice to come out, so hopefully this will satisfy their needs.
The coupe was on Bob Lutz's radar scope for a while. Per the Pontiac Solstice book, he is quoted as saying that when the roadster aura begins to fade it might be a good time to introduce the coupe.
-TPSB, pg 93.
02-23-2008 02:43 PM
dengel
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Originally Posted by BlueSkyRL View Post
Ok, someone please tell me what a "Soltice Targa" is??? I must of been driving in the SKY when that was anounced
The Solstice Targa is a hardtop coupe version of the Solstice with a "targa" top, similar to T-tops, scheduled for release in 2009 I believe. Targa is a very popular roof style seen in various sports cars, such as Porsche, Corvette, Camaro, etc.

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Originally Posted by wikipedia
Targa top, targa for short, is a semi-convertible car body style with a removable roof section and a full width roll bar behind the seats. The rear window can be fixed or removable, making it a convertible type vehicle. In common usage, any piece of metal or trim which rises up from the side of a car and continues in an uninterrupted line over the roof and down the other side may be called a targa band, or sometimes a wrapover band. Targa tops are different from T-tops, which have a solid, non-removable bar running between the top of the windshield and the rear roll-bar.
There are a number of Solstice enthusiasts who have been hoping for a coupe version of the Solstice to come out, so hopefully this will satisfy their needs.
02-23-2008 01:46 PM
BlueSkyRL Ok, someone please tell me what a "Soltice Targa" is??? I must of been driving in the SKY when that was anounced
02-23-2008 01:40 PM
MidniteBlues
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Originally Posted by dengel View Post
Yeah, I know what they're trying to say. I just don't need to resort to the "my car is better than your car" argument - I just let the numbers speak for themselves. And since GM is building more Solstices than Skys, then it seems the GM execs at least think the Solstice would be the better seller of the two.
Hey, thats GM's execs mistake, not us..



02-23-2008 01:30 PM
dengel
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Originally Posted by Ahnuld View Post
That's tied alot to there being 3 pontiac dealers for each Saturn.

that being said... what the guys are getting to really... is that the Sky is a much better looking car than the solstice, and we'd expect it to have caught up to pontiac by now.
Yeah, I know what they're trying to say. I just don't need to resort to the "my car is better than your car" argument - I just let the numbers speak for themselves. And since GM is building more Solstices than Skys, then it seems the GM execs at least think the Solstice would be the better seller of the two.
02-23-2008 12:28 PM
Bogie Keep in mind Wilmington was never anticipated to go to a third shift. It was planned as a two shift operation. They had to go three shifts to meet the "unexpected" demand. The ENTIRE FIRST YEAR of Solstice was locked before the first production car was built. They were a year behind before they started.

Dropping from three shifts back to two shifts isn't a sign of a wanning breed or a worsening economy, it's simply a sign that the demand has been fulfilled and the plant can return to producing at the original expectation.

Edit: Too much supply in cars like can be very bad:

1: It's attractive because it's unique. Too many hit the road, and the attractiveness fades, as do sales.
2. Too much supply forces manufacturer to offer incentives to move the product, which only hastens (1) above.
3. Offering incentives cuts profit margins, turning a profitable line into a losing line, stunting the ability to re-tool and continue the line.

GM needs a steady production to just undercut demand, maintaining the unique aura of the line. One of the best sales tactics is "it might not be here tomorrow". We know salesman use that for everything on the lot, but for the Kappas, you want it to be real.
02-15-2008 02:10 PM
Ahnuld
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Originally Posted by dengel View Post
It has always been GMs plan to produce, and therefore sell, more Solstices than Skys. That is why planned production numbers for the Sky are less than that for the Solstice.
That's tied alot to there being 3 pontiac dealers for each Saturn.

that being said... what the guys are getting to really... is that the Sky is a much better looking car than the solstice, and we'd expect it to have caught up to pontiac by now.
02-15-2008 10:19 AM
dengel
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Originally Posted by OlSkyDriver View Post
I believe part of the reason, is simply because SKY's were had to come by, with long wait times, and most Pontiac dealers had Sols in stock. I'm sure a lot of buyers opted for the Sol for that reason, rather then wait months for a SKY.
It has always been GMs plan to produce, and therefore sell, more Solstices than Skys. That is why planned production numbers for the Sky are less than that for the Solstice.
02-15-2008 10:11 AM
OlSkyDriver
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Originally Posted by marlboromike View Post
To my surprise...the Solstice sold more units than the SKY. (2007)
I believe part of the reason, is simply because SKY's were had to come by, with long wait times, and most Pontiac dealers had Sols in stock. I'm sure a lot of buyers opted for the Sol for that reason, rather then wait months for a SKY.
02-15-2008 09:53 AM
dengel
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Originally Posted by marlboromike View Post
To my surprise...the Solstice sold more units than the SKY. (2007)

That has always been GMs plan for the Kappa platform - twice as many Solstices as Skys. So does that mean you just never believed us before?
02-15-2008 09:48 AM
GetAboutRL Most dealers have Kappa car overflow on their lots now.
Between new and used and economy, they can eliminate the third shift. But as other's have said, those folks being laid off at this time sucks. It must be like being between a wall and a hard place financially.
02-15-2008 09:37 AM
cfjara
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Originally Posted by rs0987654 View Post
When GM set up the Wilmington Plant it invested only 150 million in equipment, which is a relatively low fixed price cost to make back. The variable content per car is very high. The platform has a relatively high labor content. What all of this means is that with 2 shifts and about 30,000 units from all four brands produced, GM will still be making money on this car, though not what it was making before. Don't forget that in about a year GM will be offering the Soltice Targa, which will add sales for the Kappa line.
...we have a Business Major making sense of all this....
02-15-2008 09:33 AM
marlboromike To my surprise...the Solstice sold more units than the SKY. (2007)
02-15-2008 01:26 AM
rs0987654 When GM set up the Wilmington Plant it invested only 150 million in equipment, which is a relatively low fixed price cost to make back. The variable content per car is very high. The platform has a relatively high labor content. What all of this means is that with 2 shifts and about 30,000 units from all four brands produced, GM will still be making money on this car, though not what it was making before. Don't forget that in about a year GM will be offering the Soltice Targa, which will add sales for the Kappa line.
02-14-2008 10:55 AM
SSRL Gotcha Runner. Still would hate to see the SKY die
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