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Expo not sure if you looked into the Sondors bike. It is a fat bike @ $500 so add that to the equation. My volt lease ends in 2 yrs thinking about adding another sky but this one would be a daily driver. Only concern would be if I get back into riding bikes, a bit hard to carry in the sky.

I use to do Tri's so there is a Triathlon site I use to hang out with. Lots of discussions there on high end bike stuff.

I don't have a mountain bike, just a good assortment of road / cross bikes. Lets see how I do on recalling all my bikes.
An old schwinn 10speed converted to a single speed (not fixie nor a flip flop hub)
A Kona Jake the Snake
A Javelin dont remember the model
And my favorite, a Titan Flex.

I think thats all looked into a fatbike, and maybe next year, thinking it might help winter riding up here slower speed no worry about snow etc..

It was one of the reason I looked into a Sondor figured hey I get an ebike and a fat bike. Who knows maybe I will still go that way.
 

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44thsky I sat in protype 2 or 3 I think, they had it at the woodward dream cruise. Yeah that engine is the old old design. They were going to buy one from Ford but the deal fell through so they are now building there own. Well they hired an engineer firm to design and build them an engine. Makes it a bit less tempting for me. If they used a Ford engine, parts would always be available, with their own design, who knows
 

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Elf!!! Those things will kill you!!!!

Way back when (c. 1970), I rode a couple of bikes - a Kawasaki twin and a Ducatti. My later-to-be-wife wanted me to stop riding so I made a deal I've never regretted. I agreed to give up the bikes and in return she wouldn't complain if I went auto racing.

And that was back in the days when the roads were a lot less crowded and the car bearing down on you wasn't going to be occupied with some texting twit who'd only notice they'd driven over you if a tire went flat.

If you are a sane rider, the bike won't kill you, but the surrounding traffic sure will! And if you aren't a sane rider, you will kill yourself - we lost a lot of guys in the 70s when they hopped off a Honda Dream onto a Kawasaki Mach 1. Lots of power combined with so so handling and brakes = more business for life insurance companies.
 

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Oh I am very aware of the monsters, I blew a 427 Vette trying to drag race with Kawasaki 750 2 stroke back in the day.

My kid got into motorcycle racing at 5 years old. I was racing hare scrambles and motocross. He did it on a National and International level for 20 years. I was Kawasaki Motor Corporation's racing coordinator for Team Green for 4 years. I know Eddie Lawson, Wayne Rainey on street and almost every major legend from Motocross.

And I would agree it normally isn't the rider that causes the problem, but now the ability to correct the problems is such an ungodly amount of power and speed, it to causes problems.

Down here, you see the kids riding wheelies at 100mph, drop it down in freeway traffic and disappear at 200mph. Split traffic at alarming/terrifying for car driver, speeds.

As a young Marine SNCO I had a Honda CV500, veered to avoid a chain in the road. CHP stopped me, let me go. But gave me a word of advice. He said there are two types of motorcycle riders, those that have been down and those that are going down. I watched the traffic heading to El Toro and home that night. Sold the bike the next day. Too many idiots out there.

Was just joking with Elf, as I am sure he has heard that phrase a million times already.
 

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I already have a fatbike. It's the only "branded" bike I've had since I started designing/building my own. It's a Trek Farley that I bought as a frame. The deal was so good on the frame that I couldn't pass it up. I have $798 and change for the whole build, and $350 was the frame. I have discs and a SRAM X7/X9 drivetrain, carbon seatpost and bars - FOR $798 ALL IN! For about a year I rode that bike exclusively: Summer, Winter, Spring, and Fall. Granted I loaned my Titanium to a friend, but riding the fattie wasn't as "slow" nor "tedious" as I thought it'd be. It was pretty capable.

Like I said though, for $500 the bike would be worth a look. There are companies that offer a "decent" Fatbike for around that, but one would have to compare the components and go from there. Having the option to allow your guests to e-fatbike might be good too though.
 

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After getting the eBike and joining a Sondors group of Facebook... I am inundated with ads for the Elon car. They say they are ramping up to launch next year. People are digging into them regarding delays and pricing... to their credit they are replying. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
As an owner, what info can you share about the new bikes.

The folding one looks interesting found this page cached in google.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a1zARmViLB0J:https://sondorsforum.com/topic/1699-new-sondors-ebikes/+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 

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I ride a lot, did a 40 mile mountain bike ride yesterday, feeling it today though. The Sonders mountain bike would be perfect for my other half. She needs knee replacement, but just will not get it done. This would allow her to do some riding and not hurt her while she did. Great transition after the promised surgery during the Holidays. We will see. Have a friend that has one of the first Ebikes. He loves it. Not an aluminum frame though, at least I don't think it is. I rode it around the parking lot a couple of times. Not for me at this point, but could see how it could be fun.
 

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As an owner, what info can you share about the new bikes.

The folding one looks interesting found this page cached in google.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a1zARmViLB0J:https://sondorsforum.com/topic/1699-new-sondors-ebikes/+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Wow sorry I missed this. I honestly don't think I've logged in since April.

I love my bike. My wife lives it. the Power Assist is a great blend of peddling and power.
That being said, I'd like a more powerful battery... in speed and stayingpower.
Which is what the FOld configuration offers. More motor and battery.

But.. there is a new Sondors X in pre-sale and I would definitely consider that as its supposed to have more of everything.

I've been considering upgrading my bike already (adding my own larger controller, battery, motor), but based on the pricing of the new Sondors X it makes me think I should just buy new again and sell my original bike (or give to my wife)

You'll need to consider adding tire liners and the tube filler to protect against flats. I had 2 flats in the first month and after adding Tuffy liners and Slime... been good for 6 months
 

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Find out if the tires are tubeless compatible. Putting Slime and liners really is not the answer if tubeless is available. The rotating weight kills the motor, just like any bicycle. The lighter the tires/wheels the easier the bike rolls and less drag on you and or the motor.

Being low end bikes, they most likely don't have tubeless rims/tires, but some tires can be ran tubeless, depends on the lip of the sidewall.

Going to do a little research on the Sonders X today.

I just tested a Trek Stache Plus size 29er. Had thought it would work as a training bike and a bike for the other half. Just not there yet, but they have the 2018's coming in shortly, will give one of those a try, but XT/XTR level and carbon fiber.
 

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50 miles is impressive for the battery, wondering if that is on flat ground.

Ahnuld, do you have the geared bike? Normally Shimano 7 speed stuff did not work well with grip shift, it is pretty antique stuff, unless they have designed it for these bikes.

I do think it would aid in the wife's knee surgery recovery.
 

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The Stache is the ONLY bike that makes me wish for something else. I found a company that will build me a Ti version based on "Boost" tech/measurements, but I have this car now, and see, I haven't been riding as much as I'd like to. I will have it made and will build it up someday soon when boost goods come down in price, after it is "The" (newest 'til next) Standard. About that time there will be a new one to chase.

If an e-bike would get my GF out with me more, I'd buy her one. I built her a nice bike and she barely rides it.
 

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Two friends of mine, one a 47 year old that leads all the strava lists in the Santa Barbara/Ventura area and a World Class 70 plus rider, were training one afternoon about a month or two ago. Riding a very steep well known hill in the area. They looked back and saw this guy coming up the hill catching them on a fat bike. Being they were riding sub 20 pound hardtails, they could not believe it. He caught them and passed them, but was riding/pedaling an electric bike.

So she just may get into riding one to punish you. lol

Currently most of my rides are for miles and relatively flat ground. I am sure my other half would be able to keep up on the electric bike and most likely would have to wait for me. I can already see the smile on her face.
 
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