How many are waiting for the hype to die before buying a Sky?

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skytoy

Discussion Starter · May 28, 2006

This is reminiscent of the Corvette C6 introduction.

I own a weekend-use only exotic sports car, and when I went shopping for a C6 after the initial introduction, the experience left a very sour taste in my mouth. I swore off the C6 after that experience.

Reading some of the rip-off posts here is bringing back memories of that bad experience.

To me, the Sky is a nice toy, not a necessary daily driver. I am vowing to not pay 1 penny over MSRP, as it'll be just a weekend toy for me.

I think I'm going to wait until next year, maybe to buy a 2nd hand Sky when prices have come down to earth after all this hype.

Anyone else waiting for the hype to die down?

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1994SC2

· #2 · May 28, 2006

skytoy said:
To me, the Sky is a nice toy, not a necessary daily driver. I am vowing to not pay 1 penny over MSRP, as it'll be just a weekend toy for me.

I think I'm going to wait until next year, maybe to buy a 2nd hand Sky when prices have come down to earth after all this hype.

Anyone else waiting for the hype to die down?

I think paying more than MSRP is the exception to the general rule. Most of us got fair treatment from our dealer and you should expect the same.

There definately is hype, but you can (and should) get MSRP from a nearby dealer. If you want the car but fear the markup stories you may see on this site realize they are not the standard (just look how we react to them) and head to a local dealer who will play by Saturn's motto of no mark ups and no hassles and put a deposit down.

ineedmorebotox

· #3 · May 28, 2006

I am not waiting for the hype to die down - but I also refuse to pay one penny over MSRP. Definatley does sound like it varies from dealer to dealer. Maybe we should have a definitive list of dealers that have sold at MSRP? A list of the good ones and not the bad ones. Could be helpful......

1994SC2

· #4 · May 28, 2006 (Edited)

Though I hate to support threads from other forums... I'd feel worse copying their work and pasting it to here as my own (mod's feel free to delete this if it skirts the rules too much):

Links to lists of Saturn dealers selling Skys at MSRP (supposedly):
Caddy Edge: http://caddyedge.com/sky-msrp-dealer-list/
Saturn Fans: http://www.saturnfans.com/Cars/SKY/2...gingmsrp.shtml (Thanks SKY VUE 1)

::: Still looking for other lists, I know I have seen them :::

MrJester

· #5 · May 28, 2006

I don't understand why you would wait for the hype unless dealers in your area are charging over MSRP. My dealer was great and I believe other dealers are as well based on this comment. If I couldn't get one at MSRP, I would wait for the hype to die down.

I now look like a lobster from being burnt by the sun!

Rick Tinley Park

· #6 · May 28, 2006

skytoy said:
This is reminiscent of the Corvette C6 introduction.

I own a weekend-use only exotic sports car, and when I went shopping for a C6 after the initial introduction, the experience left a very sour taste in my mouth. I swore off the C6 after that experience.

Reading some of the rip-off posts here is bringing back memories of that bad experience.

To me, the Sky is a nice toy, not a necessary daily driver. I am vowing to not pay 1 penny over MSRP, as it'll be just a weekend toy for me.

I think I'm going to wait until next year, maybe to buy a 2nd hand Sky when prices have come down to earth after all this hype.

Anyone else waiting for the hype to die down?

There is no HYPE .. (Not like you see it advertised every day)
Hardly anyone pays more than MSRP.
Prices will go up on next years model
What are you waiting for?

Jordan

· #7 · May 28, 2006

If you know for a fact your local dealer(s) will charge over MSRP, then waiting might be the thing to do.. But if you have no real idea, you should go find out

rocky777

· #8 · May 29, 2006

Yeah, i think most dealers are charging MSRP, its just when they dont, you hear about it like crazy on these boards. The only thing my dealer tried to push was the secure window etching, I said NO, and that was it. I paid for my car exactly what it says on the website. I think most are this way. The hype is just a bunch of excited people waiting for their cars to come in, but most of us wouldn't, and aren't, paying over what the car is worth.

Axel

· #9 · May 29, 2006

rocky777 said:
The hype is just a bunch of excited people waiting for their cars to come in, but most of us wouldn't, and aren't, paying over what the car is worth.

Charges over MRSP, or required "extras" seem to be happening surprisingly often as quite a few Saturn dealers are abandoning previous Saturn principles... that's a fact not just "hype".

As far as most ppl not paying over what the car is worth, I'd venture most ppl buying the car believe it is probably worth somewhat more than the MSRP sticker... but there is something psychological about the MSRP price that tells ppl they got a good "deal" if they achieved that without additional markups. The final price someone pays is really just relevant to what the competition is getting, and the perceived value you're getting for the price.

People mostly get pissed-off when they see plenty of others getting their cars for MSRP and they aren't able to. They then either have to pay a higher price or find a lower price dealer & get in-line which will mean they'll be waiting much longer to receive their car.

The disparity in the supply vs. demand seems to be enticing some dealers to play the "gouging" game. For the Kappa buyers, it's not much fun when compared to most car buying that can be done by walking into a dealer and either buying a car on the spot, or ordering one or having the dealer locate one for in very short time.

Oh well, some of us are stuck between the two choices of either paying more or waiting longer... I hope it'll be worth it.

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snowtop57

· #10 · May 29, 2006

I plan on waiting until I can buy the SKY using my supplier discount. I went through the same situation with the PT Cruiser in 2001. Ordered from a dealer that agreed to sell at MSRP, waited 9 months for the car to be delivered. Loved the car, got lots of attention with it. But within 8 months of taking delivery, the PT cruisers started collecting on dealer lots, within 8 more months, they now started to have rebates. The craze that is going on with the SKY/Solstice also happened with the Miata. In todays paper I see that a Miata can be bought for $19,995.

sparkle4596

· #11 · May 29, 2006

I was going to wait to purchase a second-hand one, but I realized that I would be paying nearly the same price for it... maybe just a few thousand less, and I probably wouldn't get as good of a financing rate on a used car so I'd probably be paying just as much if not more in the long run. Plus, it's worth a few extra thousand for me to have the car EXACTLY how I want it, brand new, driving it off the lot, etc. As far as MSRP, I called around to the dealerships in the area (about 6) , only one of them said they were going a markup -- I went to one who was not doing a markup and the salesman there was very nice and polite. In fact, he even tried to talk me OUT of options, instead of adding additional ones.

Rick Tinley Park

· #12 · May 29, 2006

snowtop57 said:
I plan on waiting until I can buy the SKY using my supplier discount. I went through the same situation with the PT Cruiser in 2001. Ordered from a dealer that agreed to sell at MSRP, waited 9 months for the car to be delivered. Loved the car, got lots of attention with it. But within 8 months of taking delivery, the PT cruisers started collecting on dealer lots, within 8 more months, they now started to have rebates. The craze that is going on with the SKY/Solstice also happened with the Miata. In todays paper I see that a Miata can be bought for $19,995.

One of the "problems" with the PT Cruiser is that they make 100,000 a year. Even the Miata (don't know the numbers) is a production car. Solstice and SKY are both very limited. The idea is to keep NO inventory and sell mostly made to order cars. SKY will most likely top out at their 10,000 this year (including redline) and could add another 5000 over the next few years. The main thing though is to not make any more cars than are sold -- with Made To Order... no problem...

Jordan

· #13 · May 29, 2006

Well the Solstice is currently outselling the Miata by around 1k units.. So we can wait for the Sky #'s which should be pretty high up there too!

deluke

· #14 · May 29, 2006

Rick Tinley Park said:
One of the "problems" with the PT Cruiser is that they make 100,000 a year. Even the Miata (don't know the numbers) is a production car. Solstice and SKY are both very limited. The idea is to keep NO inventory and sell mostly made to order cars. SKY will most likely top out at their 10,000 this year (including redline) and could add another 5000 over the next few years. The main thing though is to not make any more cars than are sold -- with Made To Order... no problem...

:agree: :agree: :agree:

chris67

· #15 · May 29, 2006

Work with the dealer and win!

My dealer took my order at MSRP but wanted to put on a spoiler, xm and 6 disc monsoon to max the MSRP on the skys that they were ordering. But I only wanted limited slip, single disc monsoon, red and black leather, chrome wheels and a manual. They were initially hinting that I would still pay MSRP but the loaded cars would be ordered in front of mine and I might have to wait a bit. After a brief conversation where I mentioned adding the OEM CAI, locking lug nuts, 3M bra, paint protection and a 7 year/70,000 extended warranty (all things I planned to add anyway) my dealer came around to my way of thinking and ordered my sky 5/22. WORK with these guys! They are excited and understandably would like to maximize thier profit on these cars. We can still work with them by being informed buyers and control the buying process (as much as possible) to recieve the SKY that we really want.

This is not to rationalize unscrupulous dealers who are sticking it to customers with markups on dealers adds (I knew the price of my adds and paid the regular price) as well as charging over MSRP. Per Saturns pricing policy thats just not cool.

I sold cars for quite while before and was one of the top salesman at the various dealerships where I worked but got out to pusue my true calling kitchen/bath design. Customers who came into the dealership or into my current work who clearly communicate thier wants and needs and take the time to be involved in the process will almost always end up with the best results.

DO NOT LET YOUR EMOTIONS ON THIS CAR RULE YOUR THINKING! IF YOU ARE GETTING A BAD FEELING AT THE DEALERSHIP, YOUR GUT INSTINCT IS PROBABLY RIGHT....WALK AWAY AND TRY ANOTHER DEALERSHIP.

THIS IS A GREAT CAR. THIS SHOULD FUN AND EXCITING PROCESS. IF FOR ANY REASON IT IS'NT... TAKE YOUR TIME AND I PROMISE THAT THERE IS A DEALER OUT THERE THAT WILL LIVE UP TO THESE EXPECTATIONS.

This method is much better than paying too much, getting bumped on lists or taking cars that have been demoed.

PS please contact me if you have any questions on the sales process or buying strategys I will be glad to help.

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SKY VUE 1

· #16 · May 29, 2006

1994SC2 said:
Though I hate to support threads from other forums... I'd feel worse copying their work and pasting it to here as my own (mod's feel free to delete this if it skirts the rules too much):

Links to lists of Saturn dealers selling Skys at MSRP (supposedly):
Caddy Edge: http://caddyedge.com/sky-msrp-dealer-list/
Saturn Fans: Anyone remember this link?

::: Still looking for other lists, I know I have seen them :::

http://www.saturnfans.com/Cars/SKY/2007/chargingmsrp.shtml

fkeillor

· #17 · May 29, 2006

I am hopeing that because the SKY is a limited production that it will get a loyal and popular folling like the Vett. I would love to see in the future our own catalog of extras and clothing just for the SKY. And maybe even a badge for the SKY that is as recegnizable and the crossed flags of the Vett.
No name on the car just the badge.

Angelqute1

· #18 · May 29, 2006

chris67 said:
DO NOT LET YOUR EMOTIONS ON THIS CAR RULE YOUR THINKING! IF YOU ARE GETTING A BAD FEELING AT THE DEALERSHIP, YOUR GUT INSTINCT IS PROBABLY RIGHT....WALK AWAY AND TRY ANOTHER DEALERSHIP.

THIS IS A GREAT CAR. THIS SHOULD FUN AND EXCITING PROCESS. IF FOR ANY REASON IT IS'NT... TAKE YOUR TIME AND I PROMISE THAT THERE IS A DEALER OUT THERE THAT WILL LIVE UP TO THESE EXPECTATIONS.

Unfortunately for me, I got the bad feeling a little too late. I understand what you are saying and you are 100% correct. The problem is, the process wasn't bad, I'm not upset with the car, I was just BLIND with excitement, and like you said, emotion.

V8 SKY

· #19 · May 29, 2006

I don't think the "Hype" is as much as you think. However, I am thinking of getting a Redline next year, so I will sell you my original SKY then.

I love my SKY, and the engine is enough for me, as I don't need to hot rod around. However, once Redlines are more readily available, I'll move into one.

triple black

· #20 · May 29, 2006

I paid $2000 over MSRP. My salesman told me in advance and I was ok with it. It just depends how badly you want the car. I also knew I was going to get my car in 3 weeks. It was already ordered by the dealer and was exactly what I wanted. It's all a matter of if you can afford the extra charge or if you accept getting charged extra. My dealer was great to me, they have treated me like a king and call me all the time just to see how my car is doing and if I need anything. I could have waited to pay MSRP but who knows when and if I would have gotten a Sky. I have had mine over 2 months now.

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