Thanks for reading my posts. Passing along exciting information to keep us all involved was my way of contributing to the cause. Granted, we all want timely information, unfortnately GM is not able to give us what we so desire at times. Please keep an eye open for any information I can share, but it may be public news by the time I'm allowed to post.yukon42 said:What a bunch of horse manure. What's the big deal about "insider information" regarding an automobile? Is this what America has come to?? Might as well take out your gun & shoot yourself in the head.
The only thing able to "harm" GM is GM....and come to think about it they've been doing a damn good job of it lately!
Delnari, I've enjoyed reading your previous posts and been entertained by the information you've passed along. Too bad your free speech rights have been curtailed. We sure aren't going to get the "facts" or "truth" from the news media or print media for that matter. The only way to get the facts or truth is if we pass it along to each other.
Think about it.
I agree with you, having good insider news is great... however waiting for the proper time to release it is so very frustrating... :brentil: We already know proper protocol “code of behavior” must be kept ... but then how do you prevent your suppliers or your vendors from leaking out insider information too?Delnari said:... unfortnately GM is not able to give us what we so desire at times. ... but it may be public news by the time I'm allowed to post.
ALSO, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ANONYMOUS PARTICIPANT IN A FORUM. Your information is confidential, but not anonymous. Keep this in mind at all times - no matter if you participate here, on GMI, C&G, Corvetteforum, BlueOvalNews, Autoweek, car&driver, yahoo..... the moderators and the site admins and the software log IP addresses, and even if they try and purge them, this information is contained at the server level and CAN BE TRACKED by expert 'net forensic investigators. It is discoverable information - and under the right circumstances, even though confidential, can be discovered.
Not to scare you, but information you should consider and balance with the need to get at information.
Scare? Scared of what?? GM?? Ha! That's a hoot. As far as warrants go, warrants cannot be obtained by non-law enforcement entities.kappaman said:...Not to scare you, but information you should consider and balance with the need to get at information....
That's right - only law enforcement agents can obtain a legal warrant.yukon42 said:Scare? Scared of what?? GM?? Ha! That's a hoot. As far as warrants go, warrants cannot be obtained by non-law enforcement entities.
Just let a business entity like GM show up at my house demanding my computer.....hah!
As far as "Troy" goes, if he's smart he would be a very, very rich man now.
Granted if you sign a "non-disclosure" or "confidentiality agreement" you are bound by them.
Freedom boyz, that's what it's all about. Freedom within the law. Yep, far be it from us to stir up any interest in GM products. From the sound of things in the news this morning, GM can't even get their collective autocratic heads out of their posteriors. Hopefully they can hold things together long enough to produce the Solstice and Sky. Thankfully there are still a few "forward" thinking people employed at GM.
Twenty years in law enforcement Kappaman. I know how the criminal justice system works and how the FBI operate.kappaman said:That's right - only law enforcement agents can obtain a legal warrant.
So GM shows you have inside information, reports you to the FBI for corporate espionage.
If "having" inside information is against the law then nearly every employee of a corporation is guilty of "THIS HORENDOUS CRIME". Get real; merely having knowledge is NOT a crime.
They have proof that they have non-disclosure agreements - expressly to control corporate espionage. And proof that you have information that "cannot be obtained by any public source".
Okay, they have proof I have info and a non-disclosure agreement. Obviously I would have info or they wouldn't need a non-disclosure agreement from me. Your point is....????
The FBI obtains a warrant based on "first-degree grand theft, dealing in stolen property and conspiracy for illegally acquiring confidential product plans and then selling them to a foreign firm".
And just what proof do they have that I have or am "selling to a foreign firm"? Where has anyone gained financially or otherwise in sharing information in this forum????? Please enlighten me.
They show up at your door, with three "corporate lawyers" to observe, and have a warrant to obtain "all forms of electronic devices with information storage capability within the premeses, including all detached buildings - including small, hand held devices, flash cards, iPods, and USB memory devices larger than 2 cm by 8mm by 3mm, and any other memory storage media..."
Nope, they don't show up at my door cause.....now listen real careful....THERE ISN'T ANY CRIMINAL CASE. The FBI doesn't anyway, can't say for the idiots at GM.
Then the FBI comes in, removes your computer, your answering machine, all of your camera memory cards, you iPod, your Palm Pilot, your wife's Palm Pilot, and in the process uncover that 4 yr old bag of pot buried in the bottom of your basement desk on the lower left drawer, underneath the unread copy of "war and peace"...
See above, FBI laughed GM out of their office.
Don't kid yourself - it certainly don't seem fair, but it also can happen. It already has happened. And it is not a lot of fun, even if the charges are dropped later for the corp espionage, you're STILL in trouble for the pot (legal search uncovered illegal activity, therefore admissable in court).
Unless you are SQUEAKY clean... (is anyone? REALLY?)
Nope, no search. Again, see posts above.
Besides, you are only thinking about yourself. What about when these companies just give up and start eliminating internet access - then the exposure becomes MUCH smaller, and your voice becomes LESS heard. What about the employees who end up losing access to information that could help them do their jobs better?
Hey, now you're talking! That sound's exactly like something GM would do. Eliminate access to information that would help their employees do their job better! Yeah, sounds about right.
Delnari, spoof IP's can be traced, too. I am 100% certain of it (not related to here, but to a totally unrelated set of circumstances almost two years ago - no, not about me, but about an acquaintence of mine).
Actually if you're just using a normal dynamic IP those are fairly easy to trace. ISP's keep logs of who have what IPs traceable back to the MAC of the network card connecting to them. Same with modems once they're connected to a dialup.yukon42 said:Obviously you have never tried to trace dynamic IP's which the more modern one's utilize. You can be traced while you are online at that instant, but tracking after the fact is nearly impossible.
:cheers:yukon42 said:Twenty years in law enforcement Kappaman. I know how the criminal justice system works and how the FBI operate.
I aim to please, guilty as charged. Glad I could accomodate you :cheers:yukon42 said:Kappaman, you are very entertaining I'll give you that. I would guess you are one of those corporate types; being so melodramatic and all. ....
Oh, I didnt realize that if more than one person knew it then it couldnt be considered a secret. So two or three people could not have a secret, or even several key people couldnt be entrusted with a "secret". You are so smart! Thanks for sharing that with us.marlboromike said:when more than one person knows about it...it is no longer a secret...sorry to rain on your logic