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We finally tore the Solstice down again last night and Todd built the long tube TRI-Y header today. Here are a couple pictures of the completed header. I don't have measurements of the primary tubes yet but they look very close to equal length. (Not that it was planned that way because on the street it makes very little difference. But we figured they might as well be if possible).

http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6100066.JPG
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Gasketless ball/socket flanges were used for ease of install. Everything will be included to do a complete install. One cut and weld, or clamp, will be required in the stock exhaust system. O2 sensor extensions will be included along with nuts and bolts for the flanges.

Todd is coming back tonight to finish the hi-flow cat converter and build fixtures. The first production header will be built tomorrow morning and dropped off for ceramic coating in the afternoon for installation on Gizmo's car Monday. O2 extensions are being assembled and shipped overnight for delivery Monday.

I'll post more pictures throughout the next couple days.

Comments and feedback are always welcome.
Let us know what you think. :)
 

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Only the first one worked for me.:confused:
 

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DYNO! DYNO!:thumbs:
 

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Sorry Californians, no way will these be CARB legal...
 

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GMinTheDriveway said:
Sorry Californians, no way will these be CARB legal...
I pretty much expected that but that leads me to a question.

The shorty headers are supposed to be CARB'd this year.
what causes the difference in emmisions between a short header versus long?

why would one CARB and the other not. I mean, as far as emmisions go... its just a long metal pipe channeling exhaust.

is there no CAT on the long tube?
 

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Federal law prohibits removal or tampering with properly functioning cats in every state. Shorty-type headers that do not relocate the cat are legal. The cat is pretty close to the manifold on the SKY so I'm not sure if you would see any gain from it vs. all the work to create them. Of course there are plenty of people who run LT headers on new cars and swap them out at testing time...
 

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Just wondering for us how easy it would be to swap these out with the stock units if we have to cut the exhaust system up. I guess you could flang that end of the exhaust and fab up a tube that would go from that spot up to the stock cat position.

Just wish there was a CARB legal version for us. There is always a workaround for the cat issue.

"No, I don't know why there are all those screwdriver sized holes in the cat...where'd those come from!?"
 

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Federal law prohibits removal or tampering with properly functioning cats in every state. Shorty-type headers that do not relocate the cat are legal. The cat is pretty close to the manifold on the SKY so I'm not sure if you would see any gain from it vs. all the work to create them. Of course there are plenty of people who run LT headers on new cars and swap them out at testing time...

Thanks!!.. didn't realize you couldn't even relocate the cat. GEEZ sometimes living here is a pain. what difference does any mod make as long as what comes out the tail pipe is as clean or cleaner that when it was stock.

I've read about some mods that actually make the emmisions cleaner, but they still couldn't CARB. I could go on all day about CARB, but I'll spare everyone.




"No, I don't know why there are all those screwdriver sized holes in the cat...where'd those come from!?"

LOL
 

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Thanks!!.. didn't realize you couldn't even relocate the cat. GEEZ sometimes living here is a pain. what difference does any mod make as long as what comes out the tail pipe is as clean or cleaner that when it was stock.

I've read about some mods that actually make the emmisions cleaner, but they still couldn't CARB. I could go on all day about CARB, but I'll spare everyone.




"No, I don't know why there are all those screwdriver sized holes in the cat...where'd those come from!?"

LOL
Oh don't get me started on CARB. My Grand Prix is so Un-CARB frendly it isn't even funny. The CAI is CARB, the headers are CARB, that's it. Not the cam (which I found out yesterday was designed by the same guy doing our ECMs...), not the intercooler, not the blower, not the cat, not the fuel rails, not the PCM settings, not the thermostat (yea, the thermostat), nothing. Yet it still passes the sniffer with flying colors...go figure.
 

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Oh don't get me started on CARB. My Grand Prix is so Un-CARB frendly it isn't even funny. The CAI is CARB, the headers are CARB, that's it. Not the cam (which I found out yesterday was designed by the same guy doing our ECMs...), not the intercooler, not the blower, not the cat, not the fuel rails, not the PCM settings, not the thermostat (yea, the thermostat), nothing. Yet it still passes the sniffer with flying colors...go figure.
Soooooo, you have buddy at test site, eh?
can he be my buddy too? :jester:
 

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Soooooo, you have buddy at test site, eh?
can he be my buddy too? :jester:
I don't know what you're talking about...LOL

I just put my engine cover on and call it good.

"Why's it idle so rough? I don't know...been that way since I got it...think it's the A/C. Supercharger? I think that's what the salesman called it...yea, it was always black. Catalytic Converter? No! Why would I want to convert a cat into anything? That's not what it's for? Oh... The intake and headers? Oh I got them from some guy...here are the EO Num...I mean...the smog number thingies that say they're legal...I pass? Thanks...have a nice day!"
 

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In my opinion, CARB certifications and emissions have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. CARB generates income for the state of CA so you determine the rest.

If the exhaust is not polluting the air then why in the world shouldn't everything installed qualify for certification?

Yeah, you know the answer as well as I do... Money!

Anyways, I have about 50 CA customers running our TRI-Y headers and hi-flow cats on their Impala SS and no one has ever failed emissions testing. At least that anyone has told me about.

The swap would be less than an hour from this set-up back to stock. We can even provide an "adapter pipe" to work with the stock converter. :)

Dyno? Noope, we don't do our own dyno testing. Too many ways for people to pick apart the results. If customers want to do the testing, post the results and furnish us with the slips we will happily offer a $50.00 rebate towards the testing.
 

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Good to know DD. And I feel the same way about CARB...money grubbing...again...won't start. Might just take you up on that with the adaptor pipe. Looking at these cars a header swap out looks like cake. What, 30 minutes...hour with some fartting around?

I'm assuming it is too early to talk price.
 

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Install can be done in an hour or less at a shop. Maybe a little longer at home.

Here are the latest pictures of the headers. The one with 2 welded primary tubes went for ceramic coating and the one with 3 welded primary tubes got painted and installed on my car so Todd could fabricate the hi-flow catalytic converter.
Let me know what you think:
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6100069.JPG
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6100068.JPG
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6100067.JPG
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6110071.JPG
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6110070.JPG

Installed with hi-flow cat converter using our adapter pipe which slides into the stock exhaust flare. Yes, technically this entire system could be installed in your driveway without welding. The hardest part is removing the tubing from the flare after cutting just behind the factory weld.
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6110072.JPG
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6110074.JPG

Was someone asking about ground clearance issues?
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Pictures/P6110075.JPG

Yeah, there are none. :)

Here are the prices:
Long Tube Tri-Y Header w/ Chromex Ceramic Coating. $487.00

Tri-Y Header kit w/ Chromex Ceramic Coating & 304 stainless steel extended hook-up pipe. $545.00

Tri-Y Header kit w/ Chromex Ceramic Coating & 304 stainless steel, 590 cfm, hi-flow metallic core converter. $657.00

Our long tube header with "off-road" pipe is just about the same price as our competition but keep in mind this is a TRI-Y design. It takes a lot longer to build because of all the extra fitting and welding as well as there being 3 collectors instead of just one. Our long tube header with hi-flow cat converter is over $42.00 less than our competition, again, using the TRI-Y design.

We tried to offer a better product with higher quality workmanship and attention to detail while keeping the price down. I feel we have accomplished this. Please let me know what you all think.

Thanks again.

I will not be able to get a weight until we build another header and converter. If I had to guess I would say the stock manifold with stock converter and section of stock exhaust removed weighs the same, if not more than our TRI-Y header with ho-flow converter and extension pipe.
 
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