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Good Morning fellow Sky people. I've purchased my 1st 2008 Red Line Edition and have had it for a couple months now. There is a most annoying vibration coming from the silver plastic framework around the speedometer, etc. When I'm driving I have to push on it to stop the noise. Is there an easy fix to this? I'm afraid if I try to remove it, I may crack the frame because it's such a flimsy piece. I'm afraid if I try to glue it, the glue would show. Anyone have/had this problem? Any suggestions?
 

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Good Morning fellow Sky people. I've purchased my 1st 2008 Red Line Edition and have had it for a couple months now. There is a most annoying vibration coming from the silver plastic framework around the speedometer, etc. When I'm driving I have to push on it to stop the noise. Is there an easy fix to this? I'm afraid if I try to remove it, I may crack the frame because it's such a flimsy piece. I'm afraid if I try to glue it, the glue would show. Anyone have/had this problem? Any suggestions?
One of mine has a similar noise. As a "temporary fix" while we were on a trip I took a short piece of black electrical tape and rolled it into a small tube, then wedged it between the black shroud and the lens between the speedometer and tachometer. It is basically invisible, and has been that way for four years.
 

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That is a common issue....it is the vibration of the shroud against the gauges....just slip a piece of cardboard under the shroud...it works. By the way, don't be afraid to lift the shroud. It lifts easily.
 

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Squeaks, rattles, annoying vibrations in a Sky- no way. Well maybe just a bit.
The fit and finish trim is just a bit suspect on a bargain bin model from a GM product.
Had this been a MB model on the other hand- verboten.
Quality inspector Hans is, the best in the business so they say.
No squeak or rattle, especially an annoying vibration gets past ole Hans.

Plastics on plastics with a tuned suspension, with road surface conditions and in the dash area too- up close and personal like can ruin any given top down cruise.

What you can put up "with" as an owner/operator varies among our members.
Adapt on the fly. John fixed his with black electrical tape. Works. Cheap. Quick. No
stress either. No down time. Foam, felt, rubber v-gap trim anything you might have laying around and the odd 5 minutes out of your busy day- easy peasy.
IF one fix doesn't work- try something different.

Yesterday my brother told me- his sun visor was making a noise.
The vanity mirror was sort of loose.
I told him to use 2 rubber bands- color coordinated matching the interior décor around each visor. Bingo problem solved justa likea that. He asked me where I got this from.
Car show on TV- and maybe a certain forum too.
You never know until you try-and then try again if you have to.

I had the annoying seat squeak behind my headrest. Slight knob adjustment forward, small
hand towel fold over stuck behind the headrest and plastic surface and presto chango no more annoyance to my day. 5 minute cheap fix.

The top bracket behind the tulip panel flap was banging against the frame stops of the wall. Annoying as hell.
New foam, cut to fit and... black electrical tape in place saved the day. 10 minute cheap fix.
Whatever works so- annoying things quit ruining your day more or less sort of maybe until proven otherwise.

Now had ole Hans heard this he would have replaced everything and would have charged you an arm & leg in this process pretty much.

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Squeaks, rattles, annoying vibrations in a Sky- no way. Well maybe just a bit.
The fit and finish trim is just a bit suspect on a bargain bin model from a GM product.
Had this been a MB model on the other hand- verboten.
Quality inspector Hans is, the best in the business so they say.
No squeak or rattle, especially an annoying vibration gets past ole Hans.

Plastics on plastics with a tuned suspension, with road surface conditions and in the dash area too- up close and personal like can ruin any given top down cruise.

What you can put up "with" as an owner/operator varies among our members.
Adapt on the fly. John fixed his with black electrical tape. Works. Cheap. Quick. No
stress either. No down time. Foam, felt, rubber v-gap trim anything you might have laying around and the odd 5 minutes out of your busy day- easy peasy.
IF one fix doesn't work- try something different.

Yesterday my brother told me- his sun visor was making a noise.
The vanity mirror was sort of loose.
I told him to use 2 rubber bands- color coordinated matching the interior décor around each visor. Bingo problem solved justa likea that. He asked me where I got this from.
Car show on TV- and maybe a certain forum too.
You never know until you try-and then try again if you have to.

I had the annoying seat squeak behind my headrest. Slight knob adjustment forward, small
hand towel fold over stuck behind the headrest and plastic surface and presto chango no more annoyance to my day. 5 minute cheap fix.

The top bracket behind the tulip panel flap was banging against the frame stops of the wall. Annoying as hell.
New foam, cut to fit and... black electrical tape in place saved the day. 10 minute cheap fix.
Whatever works so- annoying things quit ruining your day more or less sort of maybe until proven otherwise.

Now had ole Hans heard this he would have replaced everything and would have charged you an arm & leg in this process pretty much.

LAC
hahahahaaa....so if I use foam, felt, rubber bands, towels, electrical tape...it's as good as new. ...too funny
 

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The 'chrome' rings can rattle on the black gauge cowls, and the cowls can rattle against the dash. It all comes apart with little snap clips (carefully). I had mine apart 2-3 times to add electrical and/or gorilla tape in places until I got it all stopped.

So...you can fix it, and it's not particularly difficult, it just take some care, patience, and trial and error.
 
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Actually, GM used the soft portion of black Velcro cut into small squares and rectangles, placed in strategic places, often wrapped around an edge of plastic interior pieces. You will find some of it when removing your interior.

So, if GM used it, it seems appropriate to add more where needed. Just be mindful to place and trim it so that you won't see it once assembled.
 

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hahahahaaa....so if I use foam, felt, rubber bands, towels, electrical tape...it's as good as new. ...too funny
Good as new- depends on your acceptable levels of newness as an owner I guess.
What can you live with- seeing this is a low budget car here. Plastic is light weight
and cheap too. You get what you pay for. Now a Lambo interior on the hand...
and the quality of products used, fit and finish trim level is just a tad bit better-
way better in fact than our Saturn Sky interior is. So is the price point level too.

These items can be had cheaply to.. go along with the concept provided from
the MFG. intended as affordable for the everyday driver experience. Many of
our owners have- upgraded their interiors with higher quality items not standard
to our options list during production runs. This does not mean you have to go out
and buy a Bentley level interior for your car tomorrow here. You could but- you
don't have to. These items are easy and quick fix, without having go to the store and
buy $50 of fixes and the travel involved. They are perishable items that can be replaced
without much time/cost or dealer visits. I have repaired the top bracket behind the tulip panel
2-3 times, new bump stops felt- Velcro pads, foam and tape in less than 30 minutes total
for less than $5.00 maybe. Didn't hurt my expense account or... this is the important part here
take up long hours of my day in doing so. Twist my arm.

I spent about 5 hours on my car yesterday- exterior mostly/engine bay some cleaning- tightening some suspect bolts heads, screws, renewing the gaskets you know owner stuff.
Yes some tape was trimmed & replaced. New wire ties for 2 places in the engine bay.
I have a long way to go yet- interior today some/ top threads again- and truck space cleanup
before it goes into the dealer later this week.

As our cars age- parts become in some cases harder to find, let alone replace. It can be
expensive- and time consuming. I use these inexpensive fixes anytime like now as I
do my bumper to bumper look over before the big ticket expensive items hit for my car.
This dealer visit will not be- $5.00 cheap although I wish it was. More like $850 & change.

My car is not new- 2008 51K 13 years old in fact and almost an anniversary date for me too.
Bought it 7/17/13 with 17,360 on the clock. Joined the forum officially on 7/19/13. I have not had to spend to much money on it- enjoyed the hell out of it- have had no real down time. Yes I have spent large sums to keep it properly maintained, but that comes with any owner/operator expenses with any vehicle you might own.
Aging car parts matter- can I as an owner fix it cheap and quick for
$5.00 or... is this one gonna hurt me big time?

I chose the former option here, cause I know how the latter option makes me feel. IF foam & tape can fix it in less than 5 minutes- because it is an annoying problem to me I don't have to listen to my c/c sing the blues- or my checkbook go Oh hell no. Know what I mean?

DIY can save you money- the raining day fund, that you will use at some point in time on our cars. I am about to experience this later on this week but- I am prepared, not because I use foam & tape to fix stuff.. easy for a cheap interior like ours.
I did not spent time or money worrying about the little things when major stuff needs repair later.

Your car- your time- your money. Spend it wisely. It can be fun or... it can be painful.
Sometimes the choice is up to you- other times you are left out of the equation you know
it's gonna be painful. I know I am spending some fun quality time- 15 hours worth over the
next few days, Mid-Summer checkup/50k service, yes parts will be expensive, but I will
have the base line on my car for the back half of the summer driving season. Whatever
works for me cost effective wise cause I know how expensive it can be- after this dealer visit
I'll be over 2K for the year, with another 2K for next season. Not exactly in the $5.00 fix
category but.... IF I had to do this on a non affordable car as in not cheap like that odd
Lambo you know the one with the custom high quality interior parts the service visit for
engine maintenance would be round about 15K with maybe a motor out too- gonna take
just a bit of time here no 5 minute quick cheap fixes here at Lambos R-US.

Sorry I went off tangent again here gang- I got inspired by tape & foam influence.

LAC
 

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^ That's a good read, even if it was a bit long-winded...Lol. I have to get some Gorilla Tape or whatever to tape down my Molding that's under the windshield glass, as I have determined that the gap there is causing a Buzzing sound, and either the clips are broken or just not resting properly in place.
 

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Never understand that if the cars are so cheap and poorly put together that so many of you bought them........???
 
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Never understand that if the cars are so cheap and poorly put together that so many of you bought them........???
Yes I can see what you're saying here. I knew going into my purchase mode that
they were cheaply made- it did not deter my conviction to owning one. Test drove
a base model- it was ok, but not the right fit for me then. Waited a year while I
read more about this car here on the forum. Then the current one I do own dropped
into my lap on a Wed. evening and.. I had to decide right then and there. Buy or wait?
Buy it now cause someone else is doing the exact same thing I was doing when one
of these Sky's pops up on the internet.

By Friday morning around about 11am I was the new owner & I got the RL model too.
I have owned cheap cars before- I am familiar with fixing cheap cars with cheap fixes.
I could explain more but.. that would be another long winded post from me.

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Never understand that if the cars are so cheap and poorly put together that so many of you bought them........???
It's like owning a pet...they can be costly, sometimes destructive (accidents), create unwanted noise but at the end of the day, it is pure joy to be with it....just you and your "pet". Only a true Sky owner would know this....
 

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I will offer an alternate view to some of the above.

The Solstice and Sky had to be built to a very low price point. And the 2.0 cars still came in at low to mid $30k cost. That is not cheap. The use of plastic is generally an excellent choice from a materials viewpoint. I have owned cars that were of all steel construction and bolted together. Panels come loose over time, the metal sheds its paint, it gets scratched and dented. And you all steel cars were designed in the age where gasoline price was not a factor in the buying decision. Hell I can remember buying gasoline for my car in high school for 5cents a gallon during one of the many "gas wars".

Modern cars use much more durable and lighter weight components to achieve higher performance and greater longevity. A well made plastic part will outlast the driver and still look good doing it. And I am not paying the performance loss due to higher weight over the lifetime of the car.

Mercedes and BMW used to be the bellwether for design and quality. Now in most of the world the three pronged suppository is viewed as a crap car that is both overpriced and of very poor design and quality. BMW is living on its laurels but has also fallen drastically in reliability and build quality. Tesla . .. people who build Tesla or work on them will not buy one because their build quality is abysmal.

The Solstice and Sky are mechanically very sound, well designed and perform very well especially for their design price point. Because of the constraints on the approval to go to production, they are basically all hand built and have a lot of adjustability built into them. If you had a really proficient crew, you got a very well aligned and set up car. Not every build benefited from a proficient crew who took the extra effort to go from good enough to perfect.

Comparing a $35k car with a Merc that start at about $45k and go up to the $100+ k price range is ludicrous in my opinion. The Merc has basically the same number of systems, but each is priced much higher and they have more margin to invest in Hans the inspektor.

Bottom line is the Sol and Sky are very good at what they are designed to do and with some TLC can be made to perform in an excellent manner.
 

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Never understand that if the cars are so cheap and poorly put together that so many of you bought them........???
The cars were "value engineered" to hit a very specific price point at baseline that GM felt was important. $20k for a base Solstice, if memory serves. So they have a lot from the GM "parts bin". That's fine when a good bin was chosen- the Aisin 5 speed transmission is a good example of that.

But also remember that these cars were intended to be "halo" cars for Pontiac and Saturn. And indeed, not long after I bought my Sky we went and looked at a Vue, even though we'd never considered any Saturn daily driver.

And then the ticky-tacky issues started. Door sill inserts came unglued. Cup holder broke. "Fistful of Door Handle". Radio face plate scratched by fingernails. Passenger air bag sensor failure. Crappy charge air system clamps that intermittently burp air causing codes. And on and on. All told, I figure it would have cost GM less than $100/car to do these things better. But, in classic GM form, they didn't. And that was the end of our interest in owning another GM vehicle. Because even if those things are covered under a warranty, it's a big hassle to drop the car off to get them fixed, and why do that when other companies offer vehicles with less issues like this?

Thankfully, with a few exceptions (water pump, leaking rear diff), the mechanicals are solid on the Kappas and the design and performance, thanks to Bob Lutz, are amazing. The 2.0 Ecotec is a wonder, truly. But GM really derped it on a bunch of little things that add up to big annoyance, and people describing the cars as "cheap and poorly put together".
 

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Well, I have owned over 150 cars and only two were new, 1990 Ford Escort and a 1966 Citron ID-19. The new ones were perfect but even the older cars were easily repairable and never were any of them considered cheaply built. Some were poorly engineered (Corvair, VW Camper ) and some were way ahead of their time (Citroen, AMC Pacer, E Type Jag, XJS Jaguar) and some were outrageously engineered (Rolls Royce, Bentley) but none were "cheaply made" considering their market and the price they sold for. All were easily remidied for less effort than the bitching that "mistreated" owners with no time to correct the mistakes that their own poor judgement talked them into buying.
Combining the engine from a Corvair with a VW Camper made a viable vehicle. I did one and it would blow the doors of a Ford van. And the Corvair made the VW an automatic,
 

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I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect that GM would do accelerated age testing on something like a cup holder. And, anyone with any sort of MatSci education would be able to look at the design and materials and see that the thing wasn't going to last more than a handful of cycles before failing.

Same with the stupid (and yes, cheap) decision to mate two materials with very different coefficients of thermal expansion (door sill plastic and metal insert) together, much less with glue that's about on-par with preschool paste.

Need another example? How about the brittle wheel well liners and their high-stress mounting points?

There's no way someone buying one of these cars new should be expected to somehow know that GM had done a shitty, cheap job on things like this.

Before someone misinterprets, I tolerate and work around these things on my Sky because I like the styling and performance. But, at least in my case, this is how GM failed to take advantage of the halo intent of the Kappas.
 
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I find it interestng that I have two Skys, one with 98k miles and the other has 110k miles.
  • Both have working cupholders that do see use
  • Both have all of their original door handles
  • Both have their original fender liners, with no cracks.
  • Both have their original door sills, with no peeling
My "cheaply built" GM cars have given me a comined two decades of enjoyment with virtually nothing required outside of routine maintenance.

I guess it pays to be lucky.
 

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Of the two Skys I have owned (and loved both), they both have had some of the same (minor) issues.

1) rear view mirror that shakes and does not hold a position - I typically have to readjust the mirror multiple times a day.
2) plastic clips for the roof cables that break
3) cracked fender liners
4) peeling door sills (one car had it on the driver side, the other had it on the passenger side)
5) peeling chrome on the inside door handle (one car had it on the driver side, the other had it on the passenger side)
6) trunk spring that loses strength

I'm sure that there are others too, but those are the ones that come to mind.
 

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Of the two Skys I have owned (and loved both), they both have had some of the same (minor) issues.

1) rear view mirror that shakes and does not hold a position - I typically have to readjust the mirror multiple times a day.
2) plastic clips for the roof cables that break
3) cracked fender liners
4) peeling door sills (one car had it on the driver side, the other had it on the passenger side)
5) peeling chrome on the inside door handle (one car had it on the driver side, the other had it on the passenger side)
6) trunk spring that loses strength

I'm sure that there are others too, but those are the ones that come to mind.
I have a suspicion that the peeling chrome only occurs below the freezing point. Has your car ever been subjected to freezing weather?
 
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