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Now that NASSAM 2017 is over it is time to put serious thought and action into 2019. I will speak from recent experience and say that one year is not enough time to effectively plan this event, so now is the time for a decision to be made.

There are rumors about interest in Georgia and in the Adirondacks. Are those serious considerations, and is anyone else interested in hosting 2019?

Let me stir the pot a little with this: I am putting preliminary plans in motion to repeat in Lexington, so if someone doesn't step up you're going to be stuck with us again!
 

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Now that NASSAM 2017 is over it is time to put serious thought and action into 2019. I will speak from recent experience and say that one year is not enough time to effectively plan this event, so now is the time for a decision to be made.

There are rumors about interest in Georgia and in the Adirondacks. Are those serious considerations, and is anyone else interested in hosting 2019?

Let me stir the pot a little with this: I am putting preliminary plans in motion to repeat in Lexington, so if someone doesn't step up you're going to be stuck with us again!
Heaven forbid! Just kidding you a bit John. I'd tend to agree with you on the "more than a year" aspect. If there is anything I can do to help other than attend, let me know. (As I think on it a bit, Little Miss E will be 10 years old in 2019, and I may be able to miss her birthday party and actually come to a Nationals . . . :dunno: )

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Sounds good, I was at Lexington last week and look forward to the next one.
If I can help, let me know.
Lexington was great!
Good to have meet you John
 

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Yes. 2018 is in Colorado, but it is time now for the 2019 planing to get started. Unless there is already a significant framework in place it takes over a year to plan one of these, and two years is certainly better.
 

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Pensacola might be nice; maybe somewhere on the Gulf Coast for once just to tempt The Fates during hurricane season. :) Try something different for a change. Yes, near sea level flatland roads abound but twisties can be found almost anywhere. Local landmarks and great seafood would be plentiful. Folks in the South ought to step up :driving: and get in the driver's seat.
 

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I will be 75 in 2019....that means it MUST BE held in Florida...my OLE Bones. A little mercy. But Georgia On my MIND works. The mind may not. :frown:

The Jacksonville Club should run with this...or even Bill Hahn and SKYBABY. They are in Ocala.

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I live near Corpus Christ,but the twisties dont start till you get about 200 miles north of here and the seafood, so is Mexican food is here. But the best Mexican food is near Austin, 200miles north of here. Too far away and there is no "Club" superstructure in this area and further, I will be 82 by then. Texas is too spread out from attraction to attraction. Those that live here dont have a problem driving 150 miles RT for dinner, but most people would:willy:.
 

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Too many OLD PEOPLE...I may not attend. Cannot look at too many wrinkles, cellulite and bald heads. :frown: Did I leave out FAT ASSES and hanging stomachs.
 

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I will be 75 in 2019....that means it MUST BE held in Florida...my OLE Bones. A little mercy. But Georgia On my MIND works. The mind may not. :frown:

The Jacksonville Club should run with this...or even Bill Hahn and SKYBABY. They are in Ocala.

My Sky will be 13 yrs old. 2006 Build.
Still one bridge too far for you to visit here? :wink:

Now that NASSAM 2017 is over it is time to put serious thought and action into 2019. I will speak from recent experience and say that one year is not enough time to effectively plan this event, so now is the time for a decision to be made.

There are rumors about interest in Georgia and in the Adirondacks. Are those serious considerations, and is anyone else interested in hosting 2019?

Let me stir the pot a little with this: I am putting preliminary plans in motion to repeat in Lexington, so if someone doesn't step up you're going to be stuck with us again!
I am definitely interested in helping if in Adirondacks (or similar area in NY). If people are willing to help to get it in Central NY, which can include runs to the eastern Catskills and Adirondacks, plus track time at Watkins Glen, Finger Lakes wine tours, and visits to the Baseball Hall of Fame... I can look into some nice hotel options. Plus, people that have come to the August Kappa Kruise can drive through the stream again. ;)
 

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Still one bridge too far for you to visit here? :wink:



I am definitely interested in helping if in Adirondacks (or similar area in NY). If people are willing to help to get it in Central NY, which can include runs to the eastern Catskills and Adirondacks, plus track time at Watkins Glen, Finger Lakes wine tours, and visits to the Baseball Hall of Fame... I can look into some nice hotel options. Plus, people that have come to the August Kappa Kruise can drive through the stream again. ;)
Hey Dave...that's a long trip from FLORIDA...but I know the area u r stating. It would be a perfect locale.
 

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Think Asheville NC. You've got the Blue Ridge Parkway, the Cherohala Skyway and (let us pray)the Tail of the Dragon with its 11 miles of 318 curves where horse power means nothing but three hands on the wheel do.
 

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Suggestions for locations are nice, but are fairly worthless unless they come from someone actually interested in organizing the event there.
 

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Suggestions for locations are nice, but are fairly worthless unless they come from someone actually interested in organizing the event there.
A very good comment, but in addition to someone interested in organizing the event, you need people who are capable of planning, presenting, and managing a good event. We've been lucky so far with the 12 annual events that have been done, and for the most part, been done very well.

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Suggestions for locations are nice, but are fairly worthless unless they come from someone actually interested in organizing the event there.
A very good comment, but in addition to someone interested in organizing the event, you need people who are capable of planning, presenting, and managing a good event. We've been lucky so far with the 12 annual events that have been done, and for the most part, been done very well.

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I am definitely interested in organizing it, and feel I did well with the small Kappa Kruise I held for about 7 years in August. Nice runs, car shows, Watkins Glen track time, fun at a large festival with concerts and hot-air balloons.

The only difference is the Kappa Kruise had 10 cars at most, with nationals being much larger. As you say... we need people, not a person. My post giving an idea for Central NY was basically a shout out looking for others that would want to jump on-board to help make a great event. I also started by saying I would be able to help if in the Adirondacks (which is not Central NY). Since the first post mentioned a rumor for the Adirondacks, I thought someone already offered to organize it there. :grin:
 

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My comment was not directed toward you, and the original mention of the Adirondacks came from a suggestion by one person that another person should organize one there.

I will lend whatever assistance I can from a distance. That may mainly be passing on what worked and what didn't for me (your situation will be somewhat different) and what I would change if I had a do-over.
 

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Regarding my comments about Lexington in 2019: I am making arrangements as a backstop to the possibility that 2019 will be a repeat of 2017 with no one willing to take on the challenge, but I would actually prefer that it be somewhere else. I am always looking for an excuse to return to Watkins Glen, for instance, and have never been to Muscle Shoals. I hope that I haven't discouraged others from investigating their area because there is a lot to be said for going to a different location each year.

There is still plenty of time for a group to explore options and make a proposal for 2019. The main time-critical activity is the reservation of meeting space, especially for the banquet. Places with seating for 300 are not thick upon the ground near where we want to be, and they tend to get reserved early. Even without a team in place, one interested person can make inquiries about space and make a non-binding reservation for it while the rest of the details are explored. Based on early practice and what we went through over the past year, January 2018 is a very workable deadline for making the decision about location.

Remember too that if convention is followed, 2020 is likely to be a Western event.

Druid made a pretty good list of "requirements", on the Sol forum, and I expanded on it:
1) Event facilities capable of handling up to 300 people
2) Multiple hotels in close proximity to maximize people's choices
3) Flexible hotel and event sit management that understand you are an amateur and will cater to a car group
4) Good roads with interesting destinations in close proximity to the main site
5) Easy access to those roads without a long trek down the highway or travel through a congested area
6) Food and relief facilities located in appropriate locations along the routes
7) Enough people to lead runs, run registration, organize activities, stage cars for runs, and set up things like the car show
8) If you are the main organizer, don't plan to do any of the runs. The go-to person has to be on site to answer questions and make decisions
9) Enough people close enough to drive all of the routes multiple times. Mapping can initially be done remotely, but testing has to be done in person, and every single edit has to be tested
?) All of the other little things that you won't know until you don't have them

And I will repeat my offer of assistance.
 

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Wish NASSAM would come to the SW! Colorado is a remote possibility for us in 2018. It's a 12 hour drive each way. Getting older and that would be a 2 day drive for us so not sure we can make it. Would love see it come to southern California, Arizona or New Mexico. Lots of great country in each.
 

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Personal opinion on this, but have been involved with doing the FJ Summit National for 10 years.

These are regional events and should be called that. A National is where everyone has some access to the event, centrally located. I would love to have one in Temecula, California. But would you truly draw any type of percentage from east of the Mississippi.

The first National in Kansas City had the right idea, and I think the club/organization should run the whole show. I know it is non profit but workers can be paid out of a non profit set up. Find a group that would run the event, and get paid for some of their time. Make it the same every year, so more people have an opportunity to attend. Establish relationships with the city that it is in and work with them, year after year. It is amazing what can be accomplished in this scenario.

I can make trips to the center of the country for a National, not the east coast, Florida or New England. If I am not mistaken there was one Kappa from California at the National this year, and I would guess two last year. I think the state has a tremendous number of them registered so you eliminate them. just the same as if you had it in Phoenix, it would eliminate pretty much everyone east of the Mississippi.

You can not drive from New York to Phoenix in a day or two normally, so for attendance you are spending 8 days on the road driving and 5 days at the event with long drives. It just does not add up for the vast majority of people with these cars.

Colorado, the front range, maybe the ideal spot for a reoccurring National. A very active group and have ran one already, and taking on number 2 I believe. I am not volunteering Rob to run it by any means. But as a group we need to start thinking long range. This flip flopping across the country isn't building the support a National is intended to do.

I would assume most of us have lives and do not fully revolve around our Kappa's.

Find 6-8 people that know how to run a National. Get them together, figure a salary for their efforts, and depend on the local club for added support.

The FJ Summit is a much larger event, ran by 5 people. It goes off nearly flawlessly ever single year. 350 trucks on 8 different routes thru the day. Free dinners three nights of the week, that is feeding 900 people each time. Over 200K in raffle prizes, and 40 to 50 vendors. A much larger operation, in every aspect. But they have been doing it for 11 years. Know what they can do and what they can't. What they need to support and how to support them. You learn this thru repetition.

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate everything that has been done in the past, the effort that all have given for the Nationals of the past, but it may be time to reconsider how things are done. I talked with JohnWR and agreed he learned a lot that he could put to use if he had another one. That is why he has volunteered in case no one wants to take the ball and run with it for 2019. Good people doing this, we as a group just need to make it easier and less stressful for the organizers/promoters.
 
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