Saturn Sky Forum banner

21 - 40 of 119 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,887 Posts
Carl, it appears that things are changing and possibly a group is truly being formed to run and operate these events. Non profit organizations can have employees, can bring in major sponsors and can put money away for future events. I hope that this is the plan, as it is just too much work for a single group to learn and do it every year.
I wish this was the case, but I don't see this happening again. Originally there was NASSOA (North American Solstice & Sky Owners Association, which was partially funded by General Motors, (Pontiac) and maybe a bit by Saturn. With the GM bankruptcy. and the dissolution of Pontiac and Saturn, the funding from the GM side evaporated. It was also partially funded by membership fees, and that part also dried up about the same time and for a bunch of reasons. The funds remaining were used for the Canton meeting in 2010.

Since then, each event has been hosted by a different group in a different location by Kappa owners that stepped forward when needed. I was peripherally involved with the Asheville effort, having independently reviewed and driven their runs while I was in the area. I haven't been involved with any other events until this recent stretch.

There is a core group of people that support these get togethers, almost regardless of where they occur. These same people are involved in supporting 2019 in New York. The Pacific Northwest Group, which put on the Portland meeting, appears to be behind the 2020 Rapid City event. There isn't a lot of crossover between these two groups.

That's about it as far as I can see down the road. I would love to see a national group emerge to take over the planning of these events, but I don't see any funding coming from the ranks to support it. Our kappa enthusiast groups are just too small. and too highly, regionally based.

I don't know.

:dunno:

.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,887 Posts
I suggest you just do everything from now on. It is quite obvious no one is as qualified, knows anywhere enough to do these things. Personal oppinion here, "I"could not care less about you being mad. Just shut up and do what you said you would and quit whinning about it. Do you like those words, I hope not, because none of us like the crap you have been spreading.
Amen, friend! We don't need these diatribes upsetting us. (At least it's in the 2020 pages and not the 2019 group! :) )

>:)

OK, everyone, let's move on, and get back on track!

:thumbs:

.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,886 Posts
After 2010 a group of us discussed putting together a "Technical Services Group" that could work from home on an event anywhere in North America to help a local group host an event. The idea was to provide web services, vendor contacts, merchandise source recommendations, and procedural advice to a group so that they could focus on the local aspects of the event. I had hoped that 2011 in Lexington would provide the springboard for that group, mainly leveraging the knowledge gained during the 2010 event (although probably not most of the people who were quite burned-out by that time) but that never happened. Conversations after 2011 failed to generate any traction for a variety of reasons.

My belief, solidified by my experience last year, is that one or two motivated people can successfully plan and prepare for one of our NASSAMs in one year without excessive stress or effort. tarting more than a year in advance is really only necessary to ensure that the date is available at the chosen venue. I learned the hard way what I should have already known, that it takes more than four people, however motivated, to successfully execute that event without excessive stress and effort.

The hardest part of the planning and preparation is figuring out what you don't know. Given a pre-existing website design, tested and proven registration, payment, and merchandise ordering arrangements, reliable and experienced sources for merchandise, known contacts with major vendors, and a guide-book of what to look out for, the rest is really pretty easy, if somewhat time consuming on occasion. Any area that is going to host an NASSAM is going to already have a catalog of good runs and car activity destinations, and is going to have a suitable hotel and banquet complex. Having a TSG to provide the backbone needed to build the event around frees the organizers to sort out local vendors, schedules, and on-site assistance.

I still think the idea of the TSG is valid, and requires very little in the way of organization, but it is going to take the right group of people to set it up, and the right group of event organizers to actually take advantage of it. So, yeah, it will probably never happen.

Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
 
  • Like
Reactions: skersfan

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,887 Posts
Can a moderator slice all of this non-2020 crap out of this thread and put it in its own? I don't feel that it should be deleted, unless by the posters, but it shouldn't clutter up the event thread.
Agreed.
@Robotech

(Hope your notifications are working better than mine with the shift of Autoforums "to the cloud".

(They'll get it figured out, sooner than later I hope.)

:thumbs:

.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
742 Posts
Did you help with the 2010 NASSAM????
No I will admit I didn't, but then again according to Google, I lived 28 hours/1800 miles from Canton...….:wink:

Terry
:cheers:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
57 Posts
Discussion Starter #27 (Edited)
Good Evening:

As was done for 2018 I've posted 2020 information on the three forums and Facebook. Thus far Kappa Performance - No discussion to date, Solstice Forum - A little discussion to date, but I think generally positive, Facebook - 236 folks are now following and a fair bit of excitement, and this forum. Only here has any discussion ensued pertaining to process of choosing a site. Clearly a few of you gentlemen have significant information and perhaps sentiments with which I was entirely unfamiliar when I queried a handful of folks about organizing something for 2020 so that we'd know there would be a 15th event.

I'd like to make my request of the moderators at this juncture to completely delete this thread so that you folks may start one of your own, or better yet...if possible, keep the thread with a new name but delete my posts as they don't seem to be relevant to the discussion.

My further request is that if this group of individuals feels that I've overstepped my bounds in coordinating a Nationals without proper authority I will gladly offer Rapid City as a suggestion for competition with other sites, or simply cancel what we've planned thus far outright, there is no harm done and no funds expended.

Just let me know before August 15th please so that I can let the hotel know that there may be no event, and I will further have any threads edited to insure the community knows that I miss stepped.

I was just trying to help, but I seem to have inadvertently brought to the surface a discussion I'd no idea had even existed. You all have my sincerest apologies if I'm to blame for any harm done.

Best regards,

Rick
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
27 Posts
Rick it sounds like you have a lot of work done .Stick with it no one else has said they will do the work.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 44thSKY

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,887 Posts
Rick, hang in here, I know you have a lot of time and effort into 2020, this has just been a blip in the road, and much of this discussion should not be in this thread.

Let's see if this can get split into at least two threads, and we can get the stuff that is not pertinent to 2020 moved elsewhere.
@Robotech

:thumbs:

.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,214 Posts
No I will admit I didn't, but then again according to Google, I lived 28 hours/1800 miles from Canton...….:wink:

Terry
:cheers:
Well, according to your excuse and where you live, it doesn't look like you will be helping with any of the NASSAM's then eh :wink:



_
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
57 Posts
Discussion Starter #34 (Edited)
Well, I know folks are looking forward to next month in New York, but some of us are actively finishing up planning for 2020 in Rapid City. Looking forward to both. While I'm sure there will be some conversation here on this forum after the 2019 event, we'll be asking folks to look first for information on the website nassam2020.com when it goes up on July 15. If you can't find what you're looking for there let us know and we'll remedy that. Event and hotel registration will be available at that time.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
586 Posts
I've been to Sturgis three times on the Harley. I rode the whole way from Dallas every time. The area is absolutely beautiful. I will be looking forward to this event. For me that means a heater for Raton Pass and an air conditioner for the places in-between!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
855 Posts
Not sure how I missed this thread here on the forum, cause I read almost everything here, pretty much.
While it is still a month away for our owners group annual gathering of the Kappa's the question still remains of where and how much from our group when considering attending an event such as this.

IMO: It's all the Mississippi's fault no doubt about. Dividing our country, and owners here how dare you do that?
Crossing the muddy waters... not gonna happen for some. Why? Distance. No owner from the west coast, or points west of the mighty Mississippi will attend anything on the east coast. Same holds true from our east coast members.
Too much travel.. time spent in transit to the event sometimes out weighs the time spent at the event, extra hotel costs, more gas costs, food, prepping in advance for a long drawn out journey to and from. Time off from work? It's human nature in most cases, but drivers like to drive. Road trip anyone? Who's in? With most Americans that's the thing here in the Land of the Free, Home of the very Brave. That's right your "free" to drive anywhere you like on our road systems, IF your brave enough to do so? Can you afford it? Are you willing to afford such an adventure into the great American unknown?

IS there a solution to this problem every year for our owners? To decide I'm going to NY or Rapid City in this case? Damned if you do, be damned if you don't? There is no in between to this problem, of where, how many will attend the event. It's a National Event for all if you care to attend, depending on your circumstance at the moment, more or less.

My suggestion would be: Two separate events. Both National in nature events for the cause of bringing Kappa owners out the woodwork, same place, same time, same station, stay tuned folks... June the Month of the Kappa. West of the Mississippi for those owners wishing to attend, East of the Mississippi for those of our owners to attend something closer more affordable to their out of pocket expenses? Two events, two sets of problems for events organizers to deal with. More headaches...

IF.. you have never been to up state NY, a beautiful section of America then go by all means, err IF you have the means to do so that is?
IF.. you have never been to SD, then go by all means, it truly is a special section of our country.

However: Choices. That's what makes this country of ours great. IF I wanna drive 2000 miles or not? Do I want to put that many miles on my odo to attend?
How much will it cost me this time? Where is my " cutoff line" for attending such an event? How far will I go over the line in the sand to attend? All up to you the owner/operator to decide. No whining here, in fact get off the thread IF you choose not to attend. Everyone has.. an opinion on such topics as this. It never gets old, the continuing battle of where should we hold next years event for our owners?

I have been to both places, and they are beautiful to say the least. One of my fondest memories as a child seeing the USA in a Chevy was Mt. Rushmore. The Bad Lands... are bad.
Ahhh upstate NY in the summer, cool breezes, mountain scenery galore, twisty roads too, plus Watkins Glen a racetrack you can drive on, sort of.. but decide here. AM I going?

I will not be attending this years event unfortunately, prior commitments prevent this. The 2020 event is too far away for me to attend. SO I have chosen...

LAC
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
57 Posts
Discussion Starter #38 (Edited)
I'm going to make the request one more time, this thread was intended to be for the 2020 event and I'd sure appreciate it if we could keep it to that subject. There is a thread over on the Solstice forum where folks are debating the methods by which locations for nationals are chosen...link below. If you're interested in making proposals, please go there.

Thanks from the NASSAM 2020 team.

https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f33/national-meet-discussions-158415/

PS: You may also wish to make note that the NASSAM 2021 event will be in Northern Michigan, but 2022 as noted in the thread above is up for discussion. There seem to be many that want a nationals close to them so now would be a good time to speak up and start organizing. And by the way this quote "No owner from the west coast, or points west of the mighty Mississippi will attend anything on the east coast. Same holds true from our east coast members." just isn't true. Nationals in 2015 in Portland, OR were attended by folks from all over the country and parts of Canada. My wife and I have driven across the country three times to go to Nationals...there are a few of us... :)

Not sure how I missed this thread here on the forum, cause I read almost everything here, pretty much.
While it is still a month away for our owners group annual gathering of the Kappa's the question still remains of where and how much from our group when considering attending an event such as this.

EDITED...

My suggestion would be: Two separate events. Both National in nature events for the cause of bringing Kappa owners out the woodwork, same place, same time, same station, stay tuned folks... June the Month of the Kappa. West of the Mississippi for those owners wishing to attend, East of the Mississippi for those of our owners to attend something closer more affordable to their out of pocket expenses? Two events, two sets of problems for events organizers to deal with. More headaches...

EDITED...

LAC
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
855 Posts
I'm going to make the request one more time, this thread was intended to be for the 2020 event and I'd sure appreciate it if we could keep it to that subject. There is a thread over on the Solstice forum where folks are debating the methods by which locations for nationals are chosen...link below. If you're interested in making proposals, please go there.

Thanks from the NASSAM 2020 team.

https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f33/national-meet-discussions-158415/

PS: You may also wish to make note that the NASSAM 2021 event will be in Northern Michigan, but 2022 as noted in the thread above is up for discussion. There seem to be many that want a nationals close to them so now would be a good time to speak up and start organizing. And by the way this quote "No owner from the west coast, or points west of the mighty Mississippi will attend anything on the east coast. Same holds true from our east coast members." just isn't true. Nationals in 2015 in Portland, OR were attended by folks from all over the country and parts of Canada. My wife and I have driven across the country three times to go to Nationals...there are a few of us... :)
I stand corrected. Congrats on your successful trips across our Nation.
Post only for 2020 event here. Got that. Solstice forum for discussion on location events in future for suggestions of mine. I can do that maybe.
Well last post here for me, since I won't be attending this one in SD 2020.
I visit the Solstice site once or twice a month, but I'm not a member, so I'd have to join to comment there, not gonna happening.
but thanks for your suggestion to do so.

2021..N.Michigan... yeah talk about travel time to and from here. So that's out..
2022 TBD... back to the Solstice site... oh well LAC.. outta luck I guess.

Sorry for the high jack...of this thread. I'll be moving along right bout now taking my opinion with me...I know.. where's my keys! Hmmmm....
LAC
 
21 - 40 of 119 Posts
Top