Pre order hype BAD!
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pre order hype bad
:lol: Seems to me, that if the initial production of the RL is being oversold (more potential orders than allocation) then it would be naive to think that the dealers won't take advantage of the situation. It fits the supply and demand equation. Unfortunately most potential buyers will have to wait a significant amount of time until the supply catches up with the demand. I estimate that to obtain a RL this year or next the total cost ( msrp for the RL + dealer mark up) will run around $ 35K Plus applicable sales tax. Some on this forum will probably pay the premium price for the privilege of owning one of the first. I am patient, and will drive my Vette a year longer if need be.
:lol: Seems to me, that if the initial production of the RL is being oversold (more potential orders than allocation) then it would be naive to think that the dealers won't take advantage of the situation. It fits the supply and demand equation. Unfortunately most potential buyers will have to wait a significant amount of time until the supply catches up with the demand. I estimate that to obtain a RL this year or next the total cost ( msrp for the RL + dealer mark up) will run around $ 35K Plus applicable sales tax. Some on this forum will probably pay the premium price for the privilege of owning one of the first. I am patient, and will drive my Vette a year longer if need be.
I think GM is watching the hype and seeing they mis-priced the Kappas.
Reports here that the Solstics GXP will be just under $30K.
I thinking the RedLine will come in not a nickle less than $29,995, and thats with a few features you might expect to be standard--as extras.
Think about the $Billions GM has in Oustanding debt. One could argue they have an obligation to their stock and bond holders to pocket the premium that dealers and Ebay sellers are pocketing instead. Don't you think thats true?
Reports here that the Solstics GXP will be just under $30K.
I thinking the RedLine will come in not a nickle less than $29,995, and thats with a few features you might expect to be standard--as extras.
Think about the $Billions GM has in Oustanding debt. One could argue they have an obligation to their stock and bond holders to pocket the premium that dealers and Ebay sellers are pocketing instead. Don't you think thats true?
Premiums
GM has already said they will not allow dealer premiums and they will be keeping an eye on the dealers. As for their pricing with the limited allowcation they are having an extra 1-2000 on SKY pricing will not impact the bottom line at all.
I would anticpate that since the GXP is a 5K add with some features the base did not have plus turbo. We can expect the 4 - 5K range. Base Sky already had more features.
GM has already said they will not allow dealer premiums and they will be keeping an eye on the dealers. As for their pricing with the limited allowcation they are having an extra 1-2000 on SKY pricing will not impact the bottom line at all.
I would anticpate that since the GXP is a 5K add with some features the base did not have plus turbo. We can expect the 4 - 5K range. Base Sky already had more features.
Hi.
with all due respect. 30k for the base sky rl? Forgive me for being blunt ...but the hell with it! I mean i love the lines of the body and a turbo equiped version seemes a nice buy for UNDER 30k. if it is 30k, well I know I will be walking, not because I can't afford it but simply I think I can spend my 35k+ tax (I estimate whith the option that I want) on something BETTER. So there is issue of pricing the product right... underpriced kappa? I don't think it is! It is a good value... all things considered, but at 30k+ NOT!
ilber:willy:
with all due respect. 30k for the base sky rl? Forgive me for being blunt ...but the hell with it! I mean i love the lines of the body and a turbo equiped version seemes a nice buy for UNDER 30k. if it is 30k, well I know I will be walking, not because I can't afford it but simply I think I can spend my 35k+ tax (I estimate whith the option that I want) on something BETTER. So there is issue of pricing the product right... underpriced kappa? I don't think it is! It is a good value... all things considered, but at 30k+ NOT!
ilber:willy:
pre order hype bad
I agree. While the RL is a great looking car, I don't feel that a price tag of $35K + is acceptable. Remember the initial selling feature for this auto was a great looking 2 seat roadster at an affordable price. Seem that the prices are escalating and now prices are in the neighborhood of late model corvetts in the used market place. My point is why 35K for a saturn when there are better values available for 2 seat sports cars. I hope the Saturn marketing team realizes this before they kill what could be a boon for GM.
Just my 2 cents
I agree. While the RL is a great looking car, I don't feel that a price tag of $35K + is acceptable. Remember the initial selling feature for this auto was a great looking 2 seat roadster at an affordable price. Seem that the prices are escalating and now prices are in the neighborhood of late model corvetts in the used market place. My point is why 35K for a saturn when there are better values available for 2 seat sports cars. I hope the Saturn marketing team realizes this before they kill what could be a boon for GM.
Just my 2 cents
pre order hype bad
I think 30K or the about will be the MSRP for the RL but as I stated in a previous post on this thread, the dealers will most likely add a premium to the MSRP based on the supply and demand, at least on the initial orders. Sooo
35K is not unexpected. The pontiac dealers in central Florida already have a 5K add on for the Solstis and are getting it. I hope the price stays around 30K but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I think 30K or the about will be the MSRP for the RL but as I stated in a previous post on this thread, the dealers will most likely add a premium to the MSRP based on the supply and demand, at least on the initial orders. Sooo
35K is not unexpected. The pontiac dealers in central Florida already have a 5K add on for the Solstis and are getting it. I hope the price stays around 30K but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I am hoping that is does not come in above 28k. However, look at some of the numbers below.ilber said:
The GXP RL is ~25,500 so it is 5k more than Solstice. Subtract 400 for AntiLock Brakes since they are already Standard on the Sky that means a 4600 bump, which puts the Sky at 28,000.
Have you looked at the Sky RL has a quite a features that Sky does not besides the Turbo
SKY Red Line Specific Equipment (Partial)
• Dual polished aluminum exhaust outlets
• Standard limited slip differential
• Specific performance suspension tuning
• Standard Stabilitrak Electronic Stability Control with competitive mode
• Functional front brake cooling vents
• Standard 18-inch polished aluminum wheels
* P245/45R18 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS2 performance tires (different from standard)
• Standard leather-wrapped steering wheel with accent stitch, cruise, digital message center and auxiliary audio controls
• Standard metallic sill plates and stainless steel pedal covers
Most of the Premium package is included, so expect Leather Seats to cost considerably less
-$400-600
LSD is included -$195
Chrome Wheels -$595. Since Polished is included.
So if you are calculating at these options you need to do so at partial price
I am not sure how all of that works out in the calculation of the price though
Some folks are posting that they wouldn't be inclined to pay over $30K for the Sky RL... that's fine... I think it is worth well over that, probably upwards of $35-$38K to me.
I'd like to ask the folks who aren't inclinded to think it's worth over $30K what other NEW roadster they think they would substitute for it?
The aging, soon-to-be-dropped, under-powered S2K?, higher priced roadsters like the Nissan Z, Z4, SLK, Crossfire? Mustang GT or Eclipse convertibles?
No way those other potential cars could match the combined looks/performance/rarity/buzz of the Sky RL... and most cost well over $40K
so what would you buy? My guess most would either buy something USED, or skip the top-down cars & buy a hardtop.
I'd like to ask the folks who aren't inclinded to think it's worth over $30K what other NEW roadster they think they would substitute for it?
The aging, soon-to-be-dropped, under-powered S2K?, higher priced roadsters like the Nissan Z, Z4, SLK, Crossfire? Mustang GT or Eclipse convertibles?
No way those other potential cars could match the combined looks/performance/rarity/buzz of the Sky RL... and most cost well over $40K
so what would you buy? My guess most would either buy something USED, or skip the top-down cars & buy a hardtop.
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GXP Pricing
Pontiac.com has pricing for GXP (also posted in another thread) - $25,995 - or $5000 more than the base Solstice - but also includes some items that are standard on the base Sky.
I agree that anything over $28,000 without and customer specified options is about the top end of where I would still be interested - $29,900 including some options might be doable. If it gets to be $32k then S2000 with power top or GTO with 400HP looks like possible options to me.
Pontiac.com has pricing for GXP (also posted in another thread) - $25,995 - or $5000 more than the base Solstice - but also includes some items that are standard on the base Sky.
I agree that anything over $28,000 without and customer specified options is about the top end of where I would still be interested - $29,900 including some options might be doable. If it gets to be $32k then S2000 with power top or GTO with 400HP looks like possible options to me.
If you take the 5,000.00 extra for the GXP and subtract the thing that are standard with the GXP but not the base Solstice you come up with a price of 2445.00 for the turbo only. That's a darn good price for 260 hp.richmcc said:
Now add that to you Sky and add in any option's that aren't standard with the Red Line. This will be close to the price of the Red Line. But don't forget they raised the price of the 2007 Base Solstice by 500.00, we don't know if they will do this with the Sky with the new Red Line pricing.
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