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Hello everyone!

I am hoping to purchase this particular saturn sky out here in Hawaii and it looks like it had a few mods done to it. I was wondering, do any of yall know who this belonged to and what they may have done to / with it?

Thank you for your help!
 

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We would really need more information than that sleepercar. I know there aren't many on the islands but I am pretty sure there is more than one. Pictures or some descriptive info would help.

Welcome to the forum and good luck on purchasing your Sky...even if it isn't this one.
 

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LOL I just noticed I missed the link. That might help slightly.

https://cargur.us/dvk3c

Thats the link to the car complete with vin.

And thank you for the welcome, I wasn't sure if I was going to do a hello world post since I don't actually have the car yet :/
 

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LOL I just noticed I missed the link. That might help slightly.

https://cargur.us/dvk3c

Thats the link to the car complete with vin.
I had a feeling there was something missing. LOL This helps...

So after looking at that ad, what a great looking car. And when he changed the color, he went all out. Note the underside of the hood and trunk both were done. Assuming door frames were done too. Really a nice job. I dig the color too! Personally I like the different-than-body-color window frame but that's just me. Nice looking Redline.

In addition to paint, I can tell he did rear eyelids on the stop lights, looks like he may have a custom exhaust that exits out where the reverse light used to be and put the light underneath it (hard to tell from the photos...), swapped out the stock white LED third brake light for a Solstice red one, they did eyebrows on the front headlights, blacked out the front turn signal/fog light fixtures, installed base model front lower vent assemblies with their plastic chrome bars. Never seen anyone do this to a Redline since those were functional brake ducts...they could have modified them to make those functional though...just really hard to see clearly what those ducts are in those pictures. Those COULD be Redline vents with the bars added too...not sure how feasible this is since I never tried it.

Also has an aftermarket head unit and I have no idea what that thing is in the visor. Radar detector? Engine bay looks stock (and filthy) but from that one picture I can't see if anything has been done with great certainty.

And thank you for the welcome, I wasn't sure if I was going to do a hello world post since I don't actually have the car yet :/
@davhamm, that's all I'm going to say. :D

For the record, folks are welcome here whether or not they own the car yet, still, or ever.
 

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Looks like a K/N filter or CAI on that...

But I figured someone who modded their car like this might have been on here somewhere
 

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It is highly possible. No harm in asking and with a car that unique, if they were on here they'd recognize their car. May want to ask on Facebook too.

Never thought of that being a boost controller. Odd to have it way up under the visor, I'd think but then again, I've never ran one like that. When I go electronic for that I'm going with the AEM Truboost that goes in the gauge pod.

I have to give you a bit of background on the Davhamm reference. Davhamm was here looking for his Hydro Blue Sky for...what...three years before he bought it? It was a while. A certain member who I will not name use to give him grief for being here because he didn't own the car...even though Davhamm is a GM engineer who worked on the interior for the Solstice Coupe. LOL

The irony is that in the early days when the car was first released this forum's membership only had about 10% owners and 90% people waiting or looking to get their car.

So it's a bit of an inside joke with him when people bring that up. Like I said, for the record, the official stance is it doesn't matter if you don't have the car yet, still or ever, you're welcome here.
 

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Ill take it. Ive wanted one of these since they came out and after years of waiting I am finally old enough to [strike]have my midlife crisis[/strike] purchase something for fun. :lol:
 

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LOL...I don't know if it's a midlife crisis for me (Though it has been labeled that by some friends of mine) but I think it's just a part of me that's never grown up. I got my Grand Prix because I needed a family car. I then modified said family car to be faster than a Corvette or Viper. Why doesn't anyone call that a midlife crisis? LOL

Enjoy the car! They are fantastic! (My opinion, of course.) Looks like you got a unique one there. Pictures after you get it...

...and please, for the love of god, clean that engine bay! LOL ;)
 

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I'm not seeing the exhaust tips and the passenger side front fender looks whacked. Interesting colour. Good luck !
I didn't see any exhaust tips either. I also noticed the stock reverse light was missing and a replacement attached below the opening for it. This is what leads me to believe the exhaust has been modified to exit through the old reverse light position in the valance.

I see what you mean with the fender though. Yea, it looks out of alignment there by the door. Maybe a big problem (damaged fender) or could just be missing a couple screws. I'd definitely look into that one.
 

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Always haggle. Also, here is the way you get them to budge on the price.

Walk the car. Every imperfection you see...the open exhaust tips in back, the modified light if it doesn't look attached very well, any scratch or rock chip, the engine if it is still that filthy...you note every one, you touch them, you make a disheartening sound. When you get to the fender, feel along the misaligned edges, check to see if it looks like a big fix (cracks underneath the fender) or a small screw.

Say...NOTHING. Even if they start explaining how they'll fix this or that is minor etc. Don't even make eye contact.

When you test drive, if you hear a strange noise, comment on it. If you feel something off in the steering or suspension, comment on it. If it idles rough, comment on it.

The whole point here is for them to know you noticed every imperfection. When you start talking price, after going through these motions, the dealership may bump more early on since they know you saw EVERYTHING wrong with the car.

The cost is really $11,000...the $10,888 is to make you think, like you did, it's only $10 grand. Start low and work up but budge slowly. If you're good paying $10k for it and you start at $8k, don't make your first bump $9 and then $9.5 and then $10. Take smaller steps and every time you do, behave like it's killing you to even move that little bit. Maybe bump to $8,250 then $8,500 then $8,700 and then $8,800...you want your first bumps to be "larger" (but still not big) and your later bumps to go down in size when compared to the last bump. By shrinking your bumps, you're telling the dealer indirectly that you're close to your max price. If they ask what your max price is, never divulge it. Repeat what you just told them is what you want to pay. (See "staying strong" below)

For haggling, you need to have some data in your head. First, what is the fair price of this car. Look around and see if you can see how much other Skys have sold for in your area. Good news is this car being so modified...especially that boost controller...will cause it's resale to drop below normal market value. You may love the car (but NEVER EVER let the dealer see this...you always want to look aloof...like there are 10 more out there you're considering) but the fact is modified cars are worth less than stock cars unless it's being sold to the "right" buyer. The "right" buyer usually doesn't go to a dealer for a modified car.

Second, are you doing a trade in? If so, know the reasonable value for your trade. Look the same way you would for what the reasonable price is to buy this car.

Third, are you financing? If so, know what you qualify for interest rate wise before you walk in. You don't necessarily have to have a loan pre-approved, but at least get an idea what your credit score entitles you for. 400-500 good luck getting a lone without a cosigner. 600-700 may vary but the interest rate may be up there depending on where in that range you fall. 700+ you use to be able to write whatever the best interest rate the banks offer. Not sure how that is now...low 700s may not be as golden as they once were but you should do your homework here too.

Most dealerships will do the California sale with the four square. One square is the price of the car, the second is the value of your trade, the third is your down payment, and the last is your monthly payment. The entire process is designed to make you focus on monthly payment. This way the dealerships can hide all sorts of other details that get them more money while getting you to forget everything else and just think about how much am I paying a month for this car.

If you do your homework, know your figures, you should go in KNOWING what your monthly payment should be if all your numbers line up. Do your homework, know what this payment number is, and do not go above it. In doing so you can use their tool against them without them knowing it.

I also recommend staying what those in the car business call "strong". They may try the "Well, don't you want to buy this car today?" question to make you bump your price more. Stay strong and answer with "Yes, don't you want to sell it?" Remember THEY need to sell the car, you DON'T have to buy it. Some other examples of staying strong:

Dealer: "You know, $6 a month is just a cup of coffee, you can afford not to go get coffee one day a month right?"
Customer: "I don't drink coffee."

D: "Look how much we've come down, certainly you can come up some more."
C: "Yes you have, but you're still not where I want to be numbers wise. Certainly you can come down more if you want to sell this car."

D: "I got a ton of people looking at this car."
C: "Well none of them are sitting here trying to buy it."

D: "What do you want to pay for the car?"
C: "$8,000"
D: "Up to...?" (This is them trying to bump you already.)
C: "$8,000"

D: "What do you want to put down for the car?"
C: "$1,000"
D: "Up to...?"
C: "$1,000"

D: "What do you want your monthly payment to be?"
C: "$159/month"
D: "Up to...?"
C: "$159/month"

Alternatively:

D: "What do you want your monthly payment to be?"
C: "If I pay $V for the car, you give me $W for my trade, with $X amount down and with Y% interest over Z months it will be what it will be."

(Note on this last one, NEVER include the monthly payment amount in your answer as you may slip and tell them the payment you're willing to bump to and all the variable figures...V,W,X,Y, and Z should be reiterations of the numbers you gave them already in this round of negotiations.)

BTW, I use to sell cars for a living...very shortly...I wanted my soul back before it got all tore up. LOL

So your question is would I pay $10k for this car? Maybe. The boost controller scares me. The rear valance/exhaust/reverse light may be a bit hokey. The Fender I would definitely check out. Depending on what I find in those areas...Maybe. I think RLs with that kind of mileage are going in the $8-$11 range so it's about where it should be...but I don't know how the fact you're on the islands affects resale. not like getting a car shipped from the states is going to be cheaper.

The question becomes how bad do you want it, how many are for sale there now, and how much work may be required to make this car reliable depending on what modifications were done and how the car was taken care of. Buying a modified car is a crap shoot if you don't know the owner who did the modifications.
 

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After reading Robo fine example of haggling the price down, there are several questions about the car I would ask first.

From the ad, it says it has had 4 owners. 67k plus and has been modified. Complete color change, it certainly is different, but why? What did the color change cover up? No accidents reported, so that's good.

It's a used car so finding every little thing that is wrong with it, is to be expected. I'm sure the dealership has figured that in to their sale price. IF they want to sell it, they will work with you, if you show interest in how far they can work to get you into it. You don't have to buy it, if anything red flags your opinion one way or another.

Not that many Kappa's in the Islands. Yeah they are unique, limited production, niche market cars, but its your money were talking about, A one owner car, not modified, stock with less miles, might be more expensive in the long run up front in cost, but will it be less trouble than a 4 owner car that has been modified? Hard to say but it IS on the dealer lot for a reason, maybe not just a trade in for a new model by the previous owner?

As for me, the price is what it is. IF you can haggle it down, a plus for you. How bad do you want it? Yup I had that same feeling before, we all have at some point. Their cost/financing to you, is always the concern here, what have I gotten for my money? How much will it cost me down the road, when I find out the water pump took a crap 1200 miles in? The fender could be cracked, maybe another grand to fix those? Problems from the previous owners modifications, that will require you the new owner to seek help elsewhere other than the dealer to fix said problems? No one can fore see those kind of issues, when buying a used car, comes with the territory I guess.


Anyone else seen an orange one? 9K-13k for a good one is about right, higher if it is in great shape with lower miles for a RL. It's orange does that mean,.. it automatically suppose to be 'lifted"? 36" mudders underneath, light bars everywhere, with chrome push bars, and a winch? Unless there are other Kappa's out there for you look at, test drive, to gauge how well this model stacks up against them, I would check them out too, before I purchase this one, just my opinion.

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